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View Poll Results: Grade "Some Must Watch, While Some Must Sleep"
"I'll be back." (Excellent) 4 7.41%
"Come with me if you want to live." (Above Average) 19 35.19%
"Thank you for explaining" (Average) 11 20.37%
"Hasta la vista, Baby." (Below Average) 12 22.22%
"You are terminated." (Poor) 8 14.81%
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Old March 4 2009, 09:00 PM   #151
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Re: Terminator-216 "SMWWSMS" - Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

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I doubt the military would want an ethical machine in control of their weapons. The probability of it deciding not to launch when ordered to on ethical grounds would be far too high. Respect for life and the responsibility to vaporize millions without hesitation when ordered to do so don't mix very well.
That is assuming that humans would no longer have control over their infrastructure. Any AI is going to have some default programming that implies not hurting anyone, and taking a backseat to human command. Skynet was originally established as a method of defense, not of aggressive warfare. That's just what it became accidentally.

It's a lot easier to believe in an ethical computer becoming a government program trusted to run everything, than an emotional child-like computer becoming the same program.
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Old March 4 2009, 10:25 PM   #152
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Re: Terminator-216 "SMWWSMS" - Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

The military's need to have ethical killing machines is inversely proportionate to how batshit their president is.

Checks and balances.

There were 8 years standing when America was one sex related heart attack away from having a President hell bent on a mad crusade for manbearpig.
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Old March 6 2009, 12:17 AM   #153
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Re: Terminator-216 "SMWWSMS" - Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

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Whoa!
That's putting it mildly.

I am incredibly excited now - and I enjoyed Some Must Watch... a lot. It benefits from a second viewing once you realise what's real and what's not.
It seems that we're getting the death sooner than anticipated.

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Old March 6 2009, 07:00 AM   #154
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Whoa!
That's putting it mildly.

I am incredibly excited now - and I enjoyed Some Must Watch... a lot. It benefits from a second viewing once you realise what's real and what's not.
It seems that we're getting the death sooner than anticipated.

Good!
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Old March 6 2009, 07:11 AM   #155
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I doubt the military would want an ethical machine in control of their weapons. The probability of it deciding not to launch when ordered to on ethical grounds would be far too high. Respect for life and the responsibility to vaporize millions without hesitation when ordered to do so don't mix very well.
That is assuming that humans would no longer have control over their infrastructure. Any AI is going to have some default programming that implies not hurting anyone, and taking a backseat to human command. Skynet was originally established as a method of defense, not of aggressive warfare. That's just what it became accidentally.

It's a lot easier to believe in an ethical computer becoming a government program trusted to run everything, than an emotional child-like computer becoming the same program.
The point of automating nuclear missiles is defense through MAD. You need a system that will launch everything even if the human leadership and infrastructure is destroyed. To paraphrase Dr. Strangelove, A doomsday weapon isn't much of a deterrent if there is a way to stop it.

What they'd want is an AI that obeys the rules slavishly "If Russia attacks, launch all of the nukes at their predefined targets". It's the simplest and best defense. The Russians won't attack if they know that it is impossible to avoid being nuked in retaliation.
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Old March 6 2009, 07:15 AM   #156
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Re: Terminator-216 "SMWWSMS" - Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

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Whoa!
That's putting it mildly.

I am incredibly excited now - and I enjoyed Some Must Watch... a lot. It benefits from a second viewing once you realise what's real and what's not.
It seems that we're getting the death sooner than anticipated.

yayayayayayayayayayyayya
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Old March 6 2009, 07:20 AM   #157
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Re: Terminator-216 "SMWWSMS" - Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

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I doubt the military would want an ethical machine in control of their weapons. The probability of it deciding not to launch when ordered to on ethical grounds would be far too high. Respect for life and the responsibility to vaporize millions without hesitation when ordered to do so don't mix very well.
That is assuming that humans would no longer have control over their infrastructure. Any AI is going to have some default programming that implies not hurting anyone, and taking a backseat to human command. Skynet was originally established as a method of defense, not of aggressive warfare. That's just what it became accidentally.

It's a lot easier to believe in an ethical computer becoming a government program trusted to run everything, than an emotional child-like computer becoming the same program.
The point of automating nuclear missiles is defense through MAD. You need a system that will launch everything even if the human leadership and infrastructure is destroyed. To paraphrase Dr. Strangelove, A doomsday weapon isn't much of a deterrent if there is a way to stop it.

What they'd want is an AI that obeys the rules slavishly "If Russia attacks, launch all of the nukes at their predefined targets". It's the simplest and best defense. The Russians won't attack if they know that it is impossible to avoid being nuked in retaliation.
I was reading online that a new computer system called Deep Waters will activate in 2011 that will run nuclear war simulations. The scary part is it'll come online roughly at the same time as Skynet in TSCC (April 21, 2011)
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Old March 6 2009, 07:29 AM   #158
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Re: Terminator-216 "SMWWSMS" - Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

and very close to the mythical year 2012 when the world is supposed to end, or aliens invade, or something
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Old March 6 2009, 07:45 AM   #159
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The Myan calendar concludes. The Smoking Man in the last episode of the X-Files told Mulder and Skully that it was an notifiable date to be watchful for. Fear spiraled from there.
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Old March 6 2009, 07:49 AM   #160
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The dragons wake up in 2012. One of them is going to give a series of interviews and eventually get his own talk show.
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Old March 6 2009, 08:20 AM   #161
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^ I could make a REALLY bad joke right now but I'm going to be a good boy...
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Re: Terminator-216 "SMWWSMS" - Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

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I enjoyed Some Must Watch... a lot. It benefits from a second viewing once you realise what's real and what's not.
I agree. I still think it was unnecessarily confusing, but once I knew what was dream and what was real, the dream got a lot more interesting, and I paid more attention to the reality.

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Old March 6 2009, 10:42 PM   #163
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I've come to find that the show normally does get A LOT better on the second viewing of an episode.
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