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Old February 27 2009, 02:42 AM   #76
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My tape cut out at the very end, when the new guy was describing what happened during the crash to Locke. He was about to say something about Hurley - lemme guess, all the people who were "supposed" to return vanished in front of his eyes?
More or less. New Guy said that everyone was accounted for except those who disappeared and those who were injured. When Locke inquired about the latter group, New Guy took him to them and they find Ben there.

Incidentally, Ben acting against the island's wishes totally explains the whole tumor thing.
And if the Island teleports the people it "wants" to safety, that very neatly explains how so many people in 815 survived the crash, many without any injuries at all, why the survivors were all outside the plane (they could have crawled out of the wreckage but I don't recall anyone saying they did that) and why Lostzilla ate poor Matt Parkman - being badly injured and still in the plane, he definitely was not supposed to survive - so Lostzilla finished him off.

This second crash was a crash-landing, so you would expect a lot more survivors who were not saved by the island. Which makes me wonder if Lostzilla will be getting hungry again...

The biggest question for me is who is more dangerous for the island? Somehow I don't buy Ben's statement that Widmore just wants to turn it into a huge profit machine. Widmore obviously didn't want to leave the island originally.
My hunch is that Widmore and Ben both have far more grandiose schemes for the island than mere money. Both think they are utterly justified and both are completely ruthless.

My question is, where is Dharma in all this?

Oh yeah, and the series finale will not only involve someone sending the island where no one can follow, but there will be one and only one person who "rides along" with the island into eternity: Locke, of course.
Ben only finally decided to kill John when he mentioned Eloise. Seems to me that Ben realized Eloise was helping Widmore.
I wondered if Ben stopped the suicide simply to extract info from Locke - that tidbit and also the info about Sun and Jin - and when Locke had blabbed, Ben finished the job.
And why would Frank run away from the 316 survivors with the passenger list with this mysterious woman?
Maybe it's Danielle. These people won't stay dead!

here's my question...
the hydra is not "the" island, but a separate island, right? So...does it travel along with the main island through space and time? Why would it have the same resurrection properties as the main island?
If the island is a chunk of a "Solaris" type sentient planet that crash-landed on Earth eons ago, and its "magic" properties are simply natural qualities of its species (and it fashions creatures like Eloise and Jacob in order to communicate with humans - being far too alien to communicate directly) then Hydra could just be a smaller chunk of the same entity that crash-landed in the Pacific. Maybe there was a whole meteor-storm of chunks which explains all the other areas on the planet that were mentioned as having similar properties.

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Old February 27 2009, 02:57 AM   #77
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Oh yeah, and the series finale will not only involve someone sending the island where no one can follow, but there will be one and only one person who "rides along" with the island into eternity: Locke, of course.
No, they will send the island back in time so it "becomes" it's self back in time, waiting for the event to unfold, over and over again. It becomes a constant/time loop/paradox... And one person will stay behind to move the island, but another will join him at the last second and they will go back together to become "Adam" & "Eve".
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Old February 27 2009, 03:04 AM   #78
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I'm rooting for Bernard and Rose to end up as Adam and Eve.

Now that time travel is involved, it doesn't have to be tragic. They could just happen to be caught in the distant past on the Island and live out the rest of their natural days together.
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Old February 27 2009, 03:30 AM   #79
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One of the things I liked is when Locke is reborn on the island, he's actually giving answers to the questions asked. Too often on Lost, the characters have concealed information from one another for absolutely no reason. Here, Locke tells how he ended up on the plane as best he can and gives the name of the Dharma Iniative and how he was on the island before.
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Old February 27 2009, 05:40 AM   #80
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If the island is a chunk of a "Solaris" type sentient planet that crash-landed on Earth eons ago...
That's exactly what I've been thinking the island is. Either that or a chunk of heaven/afterlife/whatever that broke off and fell to Earth. And it wouldn't surprise me if it's only been gone a few days from the perspective of whoever or whatever lost it.

Reading this thread, it looks like I was off concerning the plane landing on a runway, because 1) I didn't see it and 2) it looked like the plane was close to the beach. Looks like I might have misread Ben's reaction of Locke's mention of Hawking as well. Whatever his reaction was about, he did have one and tried to downplay it.
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Old February 27 2009, 05:56 AM   #81
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One of the things I liked is when Locke is reborn on the island, he's actually giving answers to the questions asked. Too often on Lost, the characters have concealed information from one another for absolutely no reason. Here, Locke tells how he ended up on the plane as best he can and gives the name of the Dharma Iniative and how he was on the island before.
Of course, he probably sounds cryptic to the crash survivors.

Survivor: What do you remember?
Locke: I remember dying.
S: Yes, my life flashed before my eyes too.
L: No, no. I died, and came back to life.
S: This island is a new chance at life for all of us, John.
L: You don't understand. That's the man who killed me.
S: He broke your heart?
L: No! He strangled me to death.
S: Look, what you guys do in bed is none--
L: HE PUT ME IN THAT COFFIN!
S: Like I said, your weird fetishes are--
L: *sigh* Why did I even want to come back here?
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Old February 27 2009, 06:42 AM   #82
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My tape cut out at the very end, when the new guy was describing what happened during the crash to Locke. He was about to say something about Hurley - lemme guess, all the people who were "supposed" to return vanished in front of his eyes?
More or less. New Guy said that everyone was accounted for except those who disappeared and those who were injured. When Locke inquired about the latter group, New Guy took him to them and they find Ben there.

Incidentally, Ben acting against the island's wishes totally explains the whole tumor thing.
And if the Island teleports the people it "wants" to safety, that very neatly explains how so many people in 815 survived the crash, many without any injuries at all, why the survivors were all outside the plane (they could have crawled out of the wreckage but I don't recall anyone saying they did that) and why Lostzilla ate poor Matt Parkman - being badly injured and still in the plane, he definitely was not supposed to survive - so Lostzilla finished him off.
It could also explain why all of the Tailies who survived the crash had to actually flee the wreckage and swim to shore, but out of all of them, the only one who ultimately survived was Bernard--who mysteriously ended up in a tree in the middle of the jungle.
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Old February 27 2009, 08:46 AM   #83
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I graded this an Excellent. The first episode of the season I have really enjoyed.
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Old February 27 2009, 05:15 PM   #84
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Above average. WOuld have probablt pushed it up a place if they also included some meaningful Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sayid post crash time, maybe even if it were only a minute of two in the entire episode.

Interested to see who the woman is that went with the pilot. Obvious pick is Sun but with Lost I wouldn't be surprised to see Mrs Hawkins or anyone who was thought "dead" before hand.

So far I'm pretty happy with this seasons so far.

I don't believe that Ben or Widmore are good guys. The both have an agenda that is centred around themselves and what they think their place on the island is. Maybe the the group from Oceanic 815 is only meant to help choose a victor for the island or on the other hand that they are meant to complete replace them and be the others reborn...which is sort of based on the Matrix premise of the multiple "Ones".
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Old February 27 2009, 06:01 PM   #85
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By the way, LOST fell again in the ratings from the previous week. "Place is Death" got a 9.82, "316" got a 11.41, "Bentham" got a 9.82. Did the 316 ads proclaim the O6 would return to the Island in that episode or something? Why the spike?
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Old February 27 2009, 08:50 PM   #86
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It could also explain why all of the Tailies who survived the crash had to actually flee the wreckage and swim to shore, but out of all of them, the only one who ultimately survived was Bernard--who mysteriously ended up in a tree in the middle of the jungle.
I wondered if Ana-Lucia, Libby and Eko teleported into the water - hitting the water at that speed would have been the same as hitting land, and no more survivable - but maybe the island was only "certain" about Bernard and wasn't quite as accommodating for the others (but presumably there were Tailies who never made it out alive at all).
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Another great episode, although it wasn't quite as good as I hoped for (but maybe my experienced was maligned by the fact I had to watch it online with my crappy internet, causing me to restart it every 5 or so minutes). I loved the opening in showing Locke alive again and caught up to the "present" timeline.

I enjoyed each of Locke's reunions with fellow castaways but I was intrigued to notice how with each passing encounter showed more pity towards Locke's nature (but conversely an increasing ultimate willingness to go along with Locke's plea return in the end).

It was wonderful to see Walt again, although I was disappointed that we didn't get a real explanation as to why he didn't have to return to the Island with the rest.

Sad to see that Helen died, but it seems like all of the Losties are destined not to have happy relationships. John, Sayid, Sawyer, etc.

Lastly, I was both surprised and not surprised that Ben convinced Locke not to kill himself, but upon hearing Eloise Hawking's name (more jealousy over Locke's connection to Jacob), Ben turned and killed Locke. Beautiful. How typically Ben.

Oh, and it sounds like Frank survived the crash!
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I had a theory way back when (when I was thinking that the survivors were all manipulated on to the plane for a reason by Dharma or some other group) that only the original 48 from the middle of the airplane were meant to survive the crash and that the Tailies had all survived by accident and would/might throw a wrench into the Other's plans because of the fact they weren't supposed to be there.

This whole scenario seemed unlikely (especially with most of the Tailies being killed off without doing much) and it appeared that the coincidence of the main survivors surviving was just that, a coincidence.

But now with Abandon saying he arranges for people to get where they needed to go, maybe it was all influenced/manipulated so that all the people who survived the crash were meant to be on that flight and in the middle section of the plane so they would end up on the island.

Also, remember that some of the the cast (Shannon & Boone) were supposed to fly first class, but got moved into the middle of the plane by a flight attendant. Same with Hurley (Multi-millionaire and a BIG guy) but he couldn't get into first class seating. Also in the original script of the first episode Jack was also supposed to be flying first class and gives up his seat to an old lady at the last minute, thus ending up the the middle section of the plane and surviving.

What does all this mean? Well since Ben didn't know/expect that the plane would crash or know who was on it AND that Abandon worked for Widmore, we can assume that Charles Widomore arranged for Locke to be on the plane and knew that it would crash and Locke would survive. Everyone else who survived just got lucky (or the Island saved them), and Jack, who wasn't supposed to be in the middle of the plane, got lucky and became the wildcard in the whole situation/series and a major player in the war between Widmore and Ben.
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Old February 27 2009, 09:29 PM   #89
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If the island teleports people it wants to safety before the crashes and Kate claims to remember the whole crash of 815, then does she remember being in the plane, in the air, one minute, and then on the beach with a bunch of other people the next?

Was she on the beach before the plane crashed on it?

She might not have told anyone, figuring she was just hallucinating under trauma. Later, when it became clear that something that weird could actually have happened, what was the point of telling others?

Even being in the middle of the plane should necessarily save all those people. A mid-air breakup shouldn't be survivable for anyone, except maybe one or two people as a fluke and even then, they should be badly injured. If someone survived with minor or no injuries, it has to be because the island wanted them to. The exceptions would be few and very badly injured people like the pilot and the US Marshall, and both ended up dead anyway.
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Well if it was the Hatch that brought the plane down as Desmond thinks (because he didn't push the buttons on time) and that seems very likely given the timing, etc... Then the plane crash already wasn't normal (like those caused by an explosion on board or engine or structure failure) so we can't fully compare this 815 crash to a real plane crash.

Also, if it was the magnetic anomaly that cause the plane to crash, then the magnetic fields of the island and the anomaly could have caused the midsection of the plane to crash at a slower speed then a normal plane crash would, thus allowing for more survivors. A magnetic "cushion" caused by opposite magnetic polarities could have help some people to survive, or some crazy pseudo-sci-fi explanation like that.
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