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Old February 21 2009, 03:20 PM   #16
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Is it asking too much for someone to get in a viper and shoot something?
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Old February 21 2009, 04:29 PM   #17
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I hope this "Boomer on trial" thing takes up very little screen time. I'm sure the rebel Cylons are sore about it, but the way things are going, it's time to let bygones be bygones and quit finding excuses to kill each other.

I do think they are setting her up to get back with the Chief, which seems promising. He deserves a happy ending, and he's obviously not getting back together with Tory. But the fact that he deserves one is probably exactly why he won't get it.
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Old February 22 2009, 12:32 AM   #18
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The Cylons want to try her for siding with Cavil against her own model and the rest of them, I assume.

As mentioned earlier it's a bit of a joke considering nobody's gonna try the rest of the Cylons for the holocaust.
1. Yes, they want to try her for siding against her own model.

2. But what makes it a farce isn't the fact that nobody is going to try the Cylons...rather what makes it a farce is:

a. Athena, not Boomer, is the first Eight to side against her own model. The Cylons aren't going to try her for treason.

b. Leoben already said that there was no law to prevent an individual model from taking a side against the whole line.

The point here is this: While the humans have to embrace Cylons to survive, Cylons have to embrace humans to survive too, and that means truly embracing the notion of individuality. They are still operating as with a collective mindset. They have to learn to abandon that, and if they try one Eight for using its freedom in a way that displeases them, then they are still operating from that same collective mindset, which runs counter to what they must learn to do if they are to survive along with humanity. Conversely, humanity has been degenerating into a bunch of rabble rousers for quite some time. That has to stop. Humanity, as well as learning to cooperate with Cylons must also start learning to operate as more of a collective. Mutinies, gangs like the Sons of Ares, and potential revolutionaries in the wings cannot be tolerated if humanity is to survive at this point.
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Old February 22 2009, 12:37 AM   #19
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The Cylons want to try her for siding with Cavil against her own model and the rest of them, I assume.

As mentioned earlier it's a bit of a joke considering nobody's gonna try the rest of the Cylons for the holocaust.
I didn't even think of that one..lol


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Old February 22 2009, 12:43 AM   #20
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All I know is that I'll be sorely disappointed if the end of Baltar's arc doesn't involve some kind of "reckoning" (BSG's favorite word) for his involvement in the attack on the Colonies. That was the big secret he was keeping throughout the early years of the show, and, to this day, Roslin is the only other human who knows about it. Boomer's return is a good excuse for bringing it up again.
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Old February 22 2009, 12:44 AM   #21
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I do think they are setting her up to get back with the Chief, which seems promising. He deserves a happy ending...
Getting a happy ending from an Asian woman. Where have I heard this story before?

And we can't assume Roslin hasn't told people about Baltar's confession to her. On this show, people catch each other up on a lot of exposition offscreen.
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Old February 22 2009, 12:50 AM   #22
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Is it really necessary for him to pay for it any further? The guy's been through damn near everything a person can endure, short of dying. I feel like he's one of the few that should survive, because he hasn't earned an easy death--he should have to suffer right along with everyone else. Dramatically, I think that's appropriate for him. But I don't think he needs to be punished specifically for his role in the attacks, which was negligence at worst.
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Old February 22 2009, 12:52 AM   #23
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I do think they are setting her up to get back with the Chief, which seems promising. He deserves a happy ending...
Getting a happy ending from an Asian woman. Where have I heard this story before?
I swear, I can't say "happy ending" when talking about Eights without someone saying that!

And we can't assume Roslin hasn't told people about Baltar's confession to her. On this show, people catch each other up on a lot of exposition offscreen.
I don't know, she might have told Adama, but really, what did he do? He was stupid and let his dick do his thinking for him. Not quite the same as saying, "sure, go ahead, slaughter my entire species, here are the codes to do it."
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Old February 22 2009, 12:54 AM   #24
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And we can't assume Roslin hasn't told people about Baltar's confession to her. On this show, people catch each other up on a lot of exposition offscreen.
She may have told the other higher ups, like the Adamas and Tigh and so forth, but I doubt she told the general public.....otherwise I presume there would have been a lot more fallout for Baltar.
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Old February 22 2009, 01:00 AM   #25
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Is it really necessary for him to pay for it any further? The guy's been through damn near everything a person can endure, short of dying. I feel like he's one of the few that should survive, because he hasn't earned an easy death--he should have to suffer right along with everyone else. Dramatically, I think that's appropriate for him. But I don't think he needs to be punished specifically for his role in the attacks, which was negligence at worst.
It's not that I personally think he deserves it. It's that he's carried this big secret forever, and that was a big part of his character arc, and I think it would be dramatically interesting if the secret came out. All throughout seasons 1 and 2, I was looking forward to some kind of payoff for him hiding this, and I'd be disappointed if nothing ever comes of it.

Of course, it would have been a lot more interesting if it had come out back when Baltar was president, and at the height of his popularity.

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I don't know, she might have told Adama, but really, what did he do? He was stupid and let his dick do his thinking for him. Not quite the same as saying, "sure, go ahead, slaughter my entire species, here are the codes to do it."
She doesn't really know the details of what he did. In "The Hub", he just said that he gave the Cylons the defense codes, though he didn't know that that's what he was doing at the time. He never mentioned Caprica Six or any of that. None of the Colonials has any idea that "Caprica Six" is the one who was directly responsible, AFAIK.
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Old February 22 2009, 01:06 AM   #26
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Didn't Baltar mention Caprica Six when they interrogated him with those drugs? I'm certain he did.
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Old February 22 2009, 01:16 AM   #27
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And we can't assume Roslin hasn't told people about Baltar's confession to her. On this show, people catch each other up on a lot of exposition offscreen.
She may have told the other higher ups, like the Adamas and Tigh and so forth, but I doubt she told the general public.....otherwise I presume there would have been a lot more fallout for Baltar.
No, I agree. I was just responding to your certainty that she had told no one else.

I agree that Roslin (and whomever she may have told) probably said 'fuck it' at this point. It's water under the bridge and there are other things to worry about. And Baltar didn't do it intentionally.

That said, if the public ever finds out, they better want his head.
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Old February 22 2009, 01:43 AM   #28
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Didn't Baltar mention Caprica Six when they interrogated him with those drugs? I'm certain he did.
Sorry, my mind is blanking on this....which episode are you referring to?
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Didn't Baltar mention Caprica Six when they interrogated him with those drugs? I'm certain he did.
Sorry, my mind is blanking on this....which episode are you referring to?
"Taking a Break From All Our Worries" in the second half of season three.
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Didn't Baltar mention Caprica Six when they interrogated him with those drugs? I'm certain he did.
Sorry, my mind is blanking on this....which episode are you referring to?
"Taking a Break From All Our Worries" in the second half of season three.
OK, I just checked the script on twiztv. Baltar says that Caprica Six saved him from the explosion on Caprica (he refers to her as "Caprica Six", but I'm actually unclear on whether the Colonials understood at this point that "Caprica Six" is the same #6 who they had onboard), and Roslin asks if he conspired with her to neutralize Colonial defenses, and he gives a nonanswer.

So, bottom line, I'm not sure what we're supposed to make of how much Roslin et al. know about Caprica Six's particular role in the attack on the Colonies. I guess they know that Baltar had some kind of relationship with her at some point, but that could just be from when he was on the Cylon baseship. I don't think there's ever been any scene between her and any of the Colonials in which they talk about what she did, so it's kind of murky.
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