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Old March 18 2009, 10:31 PM   #46
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Re: TNG possible remaster [technical]

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There may have been a models built for the TNG feature films but sticking to this thread if they remaster ST:TNG and recreate all of the ship shots and visual effects I can assure you it is easier for them to do ALL of them in CGI for consistency.
I'm fairly sure that Tomalak was saying that they should start from scratch on a CGI model that is based only on the 6 foot model of the E-D. The E-D in the last ENT episode was really nice but it didn't look quite like the 6 footer or the 4 footer. That's not necessarily bad though as it's going to look different simply because of the added freedom that good CGI brings for lighting and such.

Unfortunately though, all of the Trek stuff has been auctioned off, including the models. I'm sure some photos could be found of them though.
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Old March 19 2009, 01:51 AM   #47
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Re: TNG possible remaster [technical]

I am hoping that the new movie's success raises the awareness level of the studio to the point that resources will be directed into the "remastering" work of an STNG DVD/Bluray. Like TOS-R, which inspired me to buy an HD-DVD (which I do NOT regret), STNG-R will inspire me to buy a Bluray player.

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Old March 20 2009, 02:47 PM   #48
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Re: TNG possible remaster [technical]

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There may have been a models built for the TNG feature films but sticking to this thread if they remaster ST:TNG and recreate all of the ship shots and visual effects I can assure you it is easier for them to do ALL of them in CGI for consistency.
I'm fairly sure that Tomalak was saying that they should start from scratch on a CGI model that is based only on the 6 foot model of the E-D. The E-D in the last ENT episode was really nice but it didn't look quite like the 6 footer or the 4 footer. That's not necessarily bad though as it's going to look different simply because of the added freedom that good CGI brings for lighting and such.

Unfortunately though, all of the Trek stuff has been auctioned off, including the models. I'm sure some photos could be found of them though.

Sorry, yes, I didn't really make that clear. I meant "build" in terms of a new CGI model, not a physical one.
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Old March 23 2009, 05:39 PM   #49
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Re: Voyager's FX model

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Voyager started as model work but switched to CGI a few seasons in.
Yes I just came across this about Voyager's FX.

The 5-foot long model of Voyager used for effects shots was built by a team of model makers led by Tony Meininger. An unusual feature of the model is the use in the windows of small slide photos of the actual sets, giving the viewers the sense that they are actually looking in the ship as it passes by. Voyager was created by Emmy-winning production designer Richard James, who designed the interior sets, and illustrator/technical consultant Rick Sternbach, who designed the ship's exterior.
http://www.starshipdatalink.net/voyager.html
It's a crime that the model was never used for the entire series. I would much rather have had less shots of the beautiful physical model than a trillion shots of the absolute clusterfucked CG model we ended up with.

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Old March 23 2009, 09:30 PM   #50
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It looks better on the show than in those shots. It's mostly down to the lighting, I imagine. Maybe those are also some sort of "draft quality" mode.
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Old March 24 2009, 04:00 AM   #51
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Re: STNG continues on in Bluray..with great packaging!

I agree. I tend to prefer physical models over CGI if only because I can always tell, but I always thought the Voyager CGI model was okay when lit properly. I still prefer that beautiful physical model, though.

The Enterprise-E was another example where the CGI model did little to impress the design upon me, but the physical model rocked.
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Old March 24 2009, 05:02 AM   #52
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I still like the E-D from TATV better than even the Generations Enterprise. THAT is how I want it to look in the future.

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Old March 24 2009, 06:21 AM   #53
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Eh, the quality of that one's good. The shapes feel a bit off to me and it seems a bit darkly colored compared to the model's somewhat metallic medium lit coloring.
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Old March 24 2009, 11:14 AM   #54
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Re: TNG possible remaster [technical]

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I am hoping that the new movie's success raises the awareness level of the studio to the point that resources will be directed into the "remastering" work of an STNG DVD/Bluray. Like TOS-R, which inspired me to buy an HD-DVD (which I do NOT regret), STNG-R will inspire me to buy a Bluray player.

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Bolding and underlining done by me for emphasis. This would be a clincher for me to buy a Blu-Ray player.
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Old March 24 2009, 01:29 PM   #55
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Re: TNG possible remaster Ent.-D CGI model

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I'm fairly sure that Tomalak was saying that they should start from scratch on a CGI model that is based only on the 6 foot model of the E-D.
I meant "build" in terms of a new CGI model, not a physical one.
USS Mariner thanks for posting the Foundation Imaging CGI model of Voyager NCC-74656 used on the series. Lighting is really everything. That applies to any CGI ships in space on any series, not just their movement but the lighting helps show their movement from Sun(s). CGI work came a long way in the 1990s and up to 2009. The renderings have gotten better of the physics movement, texture and lighting effects as well as atmospheric effects (gas, mist, smoke). The CGI model itself can be an older model in Lightwave 3D software and just have better lighting and atmospheric effects done with todays updates and much faster rendering speeds due to new graphics processing chips.

from the first post on this thread.
Eden FX's Gabriel Köerner built a new CGI LightWave model for the Enterprise-D's appearance in Star Trek: Enterprise's series finale, "These Are the Voyages...".
in 2004.

I believe CBS Digital made their own Enterprise 1701 for the TOS-R new CGI FX work since a model was not made by Paramount of the original ship for any of the feature films. I would think if CBS Digital did remaster any TNG episodes they would use Gabriel Köerner's 2004 CGI model of Enterprise-D without changes. They would probably just license it from Eden FX.
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Old March 24 2009, 11:09 PM   #56
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Re: STNG continues on in Bluray..with great packaging!

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It looks better on the show than in those shots. It's mostly down to the lighting, I imagine. Maybe those are also some sort of "draft quality" mode.
No. The problems with the model can't be explained by program or rendering error. If you look at the top of the saucer, almost every feature is either bent, warped, or mis-aligned, and it's still really obvious on the show, especially with proper lighting.

Now, they did this to the Prometheus, which was a really beautiful, well-thought-out design before Foundation mangled it, but this is pathetic even by their standards. This is the hero model. They had more than enough time to do this right.
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Old March 25 2009, 12:52 AM   #57
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Re: STNG continues on in Bluray..with great packaging!

Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks okay to me, considering it is over a decade old. Can you possibly point out some of the most grievous flaws?
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Old April 17 2009, 03:23 PM   #58
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ST:TNG TV series on PAL Blu-ray 9/14/2009 (standard def)

Star Trek: The Next Generation finally on Blu-ray (standard def PAL) 9/14/2009

UK Paramount Home Entertainment is planing a release of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" as a Blu-ray set on September 14th, 2009.
Special Features:
four new ones are already listed:
* "Alternation of generations" will present the proverbial passing of the torch between TOS/TNG and TNG/Star Trek 11
* "22 years lager" includes exclsusive interviews with director J.J Abrams, Chris Pike and Zachary Quinto and their relationship to Star Trek TNG
* "30 years of cinemas" will present never before seen material of all movie-premiers from Star Trek 1 to 11
* "Memorabilia" accompany TNG author Ronald D. More through Paramount storage warehouses.
Discs: 8
On each Disc will be a complete season.
standard definition (720x576 pixels PAL video)
Aspect Ratio: 4:3 Full Frame
Languages: German, English, French, Spanish, Italian
* Subtitles: German, English, French, Spanish, Italian, Danish, Dutch, Norwegian, Swedish
Play duration: ca. 7823 minutes
The case will be high-quality, brushed aluminium.
The overall price will be 499€ (71€ per season). (EUROs)
Image of the packaging mockup here
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originally from this source in German
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Old April 17 2009, 03:42 PM   #59
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Re: STNG continues on in Bluray..with great packaging!

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I still like the E-D from TATV better than even the Generations Enterprise. THAT is how I want it to look in the future.

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I think this is the first time I've ever heard someone on this forum say something positive about "These Are The Voyages...". Figures it would be about the special effects rather than something about the story. Also, I got excited by that last post when I thought it was about "The Best of TNG" set...with only one disc of episodes, it could use some special features. Another full series DVD set isn't something to get so excited about, though. Even if it's in a new format and has new extras...the seven seasons have already been released so many times, this is too much. I think they're just milking it and ripping off the fans at this point. Especially with those featurettes trying to link the new Star Trek movie to TNG when they obviously have nothing to do with each other...just a marketing ploy to get more money.
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Old April 17 2009, 03:56 PM   #60
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Re: ST:TNG TV series on PAL Blu-ray 9/14/2009 (standard def)

* "22 years lager" includes exclsusive interviews with director J.J Abrams, Chris Pike and Zachary Quinto and their relationship to Star Trek TNG
Lager? That sounds like fun!

The overall price will be 499€ (71€ per season). (EUROs)
Ouch!

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