Joss Whedon wins again.

trekkerguy · February 14 2009, 05:00 AM

dollhouse is awesome.

Good job Whedon, and welcome back.

Lindley · February 14 2009, 05:10 AM

It was serviceable. Definitely not as unique as past efforts.

Small White Car · February 14 2009, 05:15 AM

I haven't seen the show, but the premise bothers me.

Not because there's anything wrong with this, nor is there anything wrong with Buffy, or with River Tam. They're all fine characters and shows on their own.

But added together I'm beginning to see them less as "strong, independent women" and see it more as "Joss totally has this superior-female sexual fantasy where he gets all hot at the idea of being beat up by a woman."

All these characters are starting to feel less like characters to me and more like his personal, imaginary playthings.

I had that thought a while back, and now I see there's a show where the characters are compared to dolls and have their memory wiped each week to suit their master. Is he a mind reader? How did he sense my suspicions and make an entire show about them?

It feels to me like he's starting to parody himself, which is never a good sign.

Again - I haven't seen it, these are just my feelings based on the concept.

Lindley · February 14 2009, 05:18 AM

I don't think we're supposed to be celebrating the brain-wiping. I think that's definitely supposed to be leaving the viewer a bit uncomfortable, while simultaneously being enough of a gray area not to make it obvious whether we're watching the bad guys or not.

Small White Car · February 14 2009, 05:21 AM

Lindley wrote:

I don't think we're supposed to be celebrating the brain-wiping. I think that's definitely supposed to be leaving the viewer a bit uncomfortable, while simultaneously being enough of a gray area not to make it obvious whether we're watching the bad guys or not.

I'm not so much talking about how it works inside the show, more that he went and found a way to make all-new female characters each week to suit his mood.

Again, I don't mind the show, it just bothers me that it seems to be revealing more about Joss' mind than I care to know. If anyone else had made this I wouldn't be talking about any of this.

I think Dr. Horrible was so great BECAUSE it strayed from this, in fact! I think Joss would do better if he was challenged to work outside his comfort zone more often. (Which is why I bring this up: the reviews seem lukewarm. I'd prefer to see him create successful shows. Hopefully this one does well. I doubt my concerns bother the average viewer so it shouldn't matter.)

MeanJoePhaser · February 14 2009, 06:03 AM

Not impressed. Almost changed over to CLONE WARS.

Basically, there's a mysterious enemy out there and the FBI agent out to uncover it all, like the reporter in The Hulk, or Starman or the military guy after the A-Team or Agent Ellison on Sarah Connor Chronicles or whoever was after The Fugtive.

Toss in The Pretender meets Stepford Wives (the movie version...ick) meets something else I can't remember...brain wiped...

I predicted this show gets FIREFLIED.

Trekker4747 · February 14 2009, 06:09 AM

Should the "Save our Show" campaign be started now?

trekkerguy · February 14 2009, 06:48 AM

Small White Car wrote:

All these characters are starting to feel less like characters to me and more like his personal, imaginary playthings.

Well... have you ever written seriously at all?

As for his characters, even if they are to satisfy some desire of his...
being a writer that's his prerogitive, they've pretty much all been
top notch characters and written into good stories.

bigdaddy · February 14 2009, 07:25 AM

Trekker4747 wrote:

Should the "Save our Show" campaign be started now?

Ummm.. where have you been? It started no less than 6 months ago. I'm not kidding.

The show wasn't anything close to a win, and the ratings will prove it. Canceled within 5 episodes.

Capt_Piett · February 14 2009, 09:20 AM

I doubt it will be axed within 5 episodes because I read they'd already taped 13 in an interview with Whedon yesterday, and he said himself that he was the first person that raised the question of whether or not they were glorifying prostitution or exploitation of women. I forgot to set my Tivo to record it, but I imagine they'll play the first episode again....

IndyJones · February 14 2009, 10:15 AM

My first chance to see Whedon in real time, and I was disappointed.

JNG · February 14 2009, 10:59 AM

bigdaddy wrote:

Trekker4747 wrote:

Should the "Save our Show" campaign be started now?

Ummm.. where have you been? It started no less than 6 months ago. I'm not kidding.

What kind of loser would start a campaign to save a show no one had seen yet? I can't understand that at all!

(I recorded it but haven't watched it yet...will check it out a bit later)

JoeZhang · February 14 2009, 11:23 AM

The only show of his I watched on a regular basis was angel - this was just OK, I'd watch it if I stayed in and nothing to do but I wouldn't go out of my way to see it.

unimatrix7 · February 14 2009, 11:43 AM

I'll have to check it out. I loved Buffy and Angel, but Firefly...didn't appeal to me. I'll give this thing a shot not because of Whedon, but because Eliza Dushku is great

Lindley · February 14 2009, 04:03 PM

This isn't anywhere near as good as Firefly, at least so far.

The opening was less cheesy that Buffy's, though.

February 14 2009, 05:00 AM	#1
trekkerguy Commodore Location: Boise, ID	Joss Whedon wins again. dollhouse is awesome. Good job Whedon, and welcome back. __________________ "I kept dreaming of a world I thought I'd never see, and then one day... I got in." - Kevin Flynn

February 14 2009, 05:10 AM	#2
Lindley Moderator with a Soul Location: Fairfax, VA	Re: Joss Whedon wins again. It was serviceable. Definitely not as unique as past efforts. __________________ Lead Organizer for EVN: Firefly. "So apparently the really smart zombies have automatic weapons!" -Torg, Sluggy Freelance

February 14 2009, 05:15 AM	#3
Small White Car Rear Admiral Location: Washington D.C.	Re: Joss Whedon wins again. I haven't seen the show, but the premise bothers me. Not because there's anything wrong with this, nor is there anything wrong with Buffy, or with River Tam. They're all fine characters and shows on their own. But added together I'm beginning to see them less as "strong, independent women" and see it more as "Joss totally has this superior-female sexual fantasy where he gets all hot at the idea of being beat up by a woman." All these characters are starting to feel less like characters to me and more like his personal, imaginary playthings. I had that thought a while back, and now I see there's a show where the characters are compared to dolls and have their memory wiped each week to suit their master. Is he a mind reader? How did he sense my suspicions and make an entire show about them? It feels to me like he's starting to parody himself, which is never a good sign. Again - I haven't seen it, these are just my feelings based on the concept.

February 14 2009, 05:18 AM	#4
Lindley Moderator with a Soul Location: Fairfax, VA	Re: Joss Whedon wins again. I don't think we're supposed to be celebrating the brain-wiping. I think that's definitely supposed to be leaving the viewer a bit uncomfortable, while simultaneously being enough of a gray area not to make it obvious whether we're watching the bad guys or not. __________________ Lead Organizer for EVN: Firefly. "So apparently the really smart zombies have automatic weapons!" -Torg, Sluggy Freelance

February 14 2009, 06:03 AM	#6
MeanJoePhaser Admiral Location: Missile Command	Re: Joss Whedon wins again. Not impressed. Almost changed over to CLONE WARS. Basically, there's a mysterious enemy out there and the FBI agent out to uncover it all, like the reporter in The Hulk, or Starman or the military guy after the A-Team or Agent Ellison on Sarah Connor Chronicles or whoever was after The Fugtive. Toss in The Pretender meets Stepford Wives (the movie version...ick) meets something else I can't remember...brain wiped... I predicted this show gets FIREFLIED.

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February 14 2009, 06:09 AM	#7
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: Joss Whedon wins again. Should the "Save our Show" campaign be started now? __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

February 14 2009, 09:20 AM	#10
Capt_Piett Rear Admiral Location: Bremerton, Washington	Re: Joss Whedon wins again. I doubt it will be axed within 5 episodes because I read they'd already taped 13 in an interview with Whedon yesterday, and he said himself that he was the first person that raised the question of whether or not they were glorifying prostitution or exploitation of women. I forgot to set my Tivo to record it, but I imagine they'll play the first episode again.... __________________ "We childproofed our homes, but they are still getting in..."

February 14 2009, 10:15 AM	#11
IndyJones Vice Admiral Location: Chicago	Re: Joss Whedon wins again. My first chance to see Whedon in real time, and I was disappointed. __________________ Travel's fatal to prejudice, bigotry, narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things can't be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's life.

February 14 2009, 11:23 AM	#13
JoeZhang Rear Admiral	Re: Joss Whedon wins again. The only show of his I watched on a regular basis was angel - this was just OK, I'd watch it if I stayed in and nothing to do but I wouldn't go out of my way to see it.

February 14 2009, 11:43 AM	#14
unimatrix7 Rear Admiral Location: Australia	Re: Joss Whedon wins again. I'll have to check it out. I loved Buffy and Angel, but Firefly...didn't appeal to me. I'll give this thing a shot not because of Whedon, but because Eliza Dushku is great

February 14 2009, 04:03 PM	#15
Lindley Moderator with a Soul Location: Fairfax, VA	Re: Joss Whedon wins again. This isn't anywhere near as good as Firefly, at least so far. The opening was less cheesy that Buffy's, though. __________________ Lead Organizer for EVN: Firefly. "So apparently the really smart zombies have automatic weapons!" -Torg, Sluggy Freelance