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Old February 14 2009, 06:12 PM   #46
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Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

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I'm wondering just how much of the drabness and lack of humor is Fox's fault.
From the beginning I've gotten the impression that this show is meant to be less "Bewitched, Bewildered and Bothered" and more "Objects In Space". The toned-down humor may be Joss's idea.

The story-over-characters approach I can't really see as being anything but Fox, though.
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Old February 14 2009, 06:19 PM   #47
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I'm giving this an average. The premise is certainly interesting but the quick switch in to what almost felt like a police procedural show was disappointing.

It very much felt like Angel, by which I mean the lighting, the set design and everything about it reminded me of the season five Wolfram and Hart set.
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Old February 14 2009, 06:58 PM   #48
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Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

I agree with everyone else. It's a decent thriller series and there are some elements that could come together to form something very interesting. But right now, it lacks that integral Joss Whedon spark that made Buffy & Angel so fun.

Still, A+ for Eliza Dushku. I've always felt she has an spark to bring to all of her work (although she couldn't save how poorly written her character was on Tru Calling. I still liked that show though, mostly for Harrison & Davis).

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Amy Acker asking her if she wanted a massage... now come on Joss... don't tease us like that!
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I'm giving this an average. The premise is certainly interesting but the quick switch in to what almost felt like a police procedural show was disappointing.
Considering I've been gorging myself on Law & Order DVDs lately, I don't have a problem with that.
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Old February 14 2009, 07:15 PM   #49
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I voted average its a creepy version of Joe 90 i will keep watching to see where its goes.
Just one thing the thread says 2/13 i thought this was the first episode.
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Old February 14 2009, 07:18 PM   #50
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I voted average its a creepy version of Joe 90 i will keep watching to see where its goes.
Just one thing the thread says 2/13 i thought this was the first episode.
It was the first episode, 2/13 is the date (the American way.)
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Old February 14 2009, 07:18 PM   #51
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It was the first episode (might be the last too). Ratings were... subpar.
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Old February 14 2009, 07:21 PM   #52
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Serial thread killer wrote: View Post
I voted average its a creepy version of Joe 90 i will keep watching to see where its goes.
Just one thing the thread says 2/13 i thought this was the first episode.
It was the first episode, 2/13 is the date (the American way.)
OH yes feeling stupid now.
Am i the only one who got a Boston legal vibe from the set.
I think Danny crane would love it in there.
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Old February 14 2009, 07:23 PM   #53
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Dollhouse (series debut) - 4.72 million & 2.0/6
Weak but better than SCC and did grow out of 2nd half though Dollhouse needs 6 million minimum to survive. FOX put the dam show at 8pm, SCC is dead.
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Old February 14 2009, 07:35 PM   #54
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Re: Dollhouse: "Ghost" 2/13 - Grading & Discussion

They had an interview on the radio today with Whedon, and during it they played a clip from the pilot which was between Topher and her Handler; all this did was to re-enforce how badly done things were. Topher's dialogue was forced, like it was written by a low-level FOX writer, and didn't "fit", hell -- not even the actor saying the lines was being Topher, he was just himself reading Topher's lines -- it was BAD.
And the whole scene was just a "Androemda" lead-you-by-the-nose pastiche of things that should have been worked out over time in a more professional and fitting manor.

The episode as a whole was just as boring and annoying as later seasons of "Stargate: SG1", "The X-Files", and had a boring "this is just bad" vibe like "Enterprise".

Reading fan replies over at Whedonesque, I made the comment that I thought some people are just blinded by the lack of a episodic Whedon series, to which the amazingly over;y crazy Whedon fans jumped in saying that I am telling them they were wrong and what not; I thought Whedon's fanbase was a little smarter than that, but appearently not.
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Old February 14 2009, 07:51 PM   #55
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I think Joss Whedon is a genius, and really wanted to like it ... but didn't. I'll tune in again next week hoping that it gets better.
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Old February 14 2009, 08:14 PM   #56
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Below average.

Trekkies, remember that ep of voyager where 7of9 started acting like people her collective had assimilated? That was essentially an episode built around proving Jeri Ryan has some kind of range as an actress. This is like an entire serious built around proving the same thing for Eliza Dushku.
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Old February 14 2009, 08:17 PM   #57
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Bad acting, forced dialog, beautiful people, fancy clothes, and lavish sets.

"Dollhouse" is like a porno that never gets around to the sex.


This first episode was unimpressive. It was able to hold my attention, but that might be because I can't stop looking at Eliza Dushku -- point being, at no point did anything in the show strike me as smart, original, or even very interesting. I think during one of the commercial breaks I remarked that it was sort of like The Davinci Code with half the suspense.

My girlfriend remarked that it really reminded her of the The Train Job -- we got fed a bunch of information and a premise in the first twenty minutes, all of which was sandwiched between a small example and a big example of all that information.

This episode was the second pilot that Whedon made after someone pointed out problems with the first, right? So we'll be seeing the original pilot next week? If so, should be interesting. I'll watch next week, but my high expectations of Whedon aren't going to keep my there forever.

The ratings seem like semi-good news, anyway, but I can't imagine next week will be very close to this week after that lackluster opening.
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Old February 14 2009, 08:21 PM   #58
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Bad acting, forced dialog, beautiful people, fancy clothes, and lavish sets.

"Dollhouse" is like a porno that never gets around to the sex.


This first episode was unimpressive. It was able to hold my attention, but that might be because I can't stop looking at Eliza Dushku -- point being, at no point did anything in the show strike me as smart, original, or even very interesting. I think during one of the commercial breaks I remarked that it was sort of like The Davinci Code with half the suspense.

My girlfriend remarked that it really reminded her of the The Train Job -- we got fed a bunch of information and a premise in the first twenty minutes, all of which was sandwiched between a small example and a big example of all that information.

This episode was the second pilot that Whedon made after someone pointed out problems with the first, right? So we'll be seeing the original pilot next week? If so, should be interesting. I'll watch next week, but my high expectations of Whedon aren't going to keep my there forever.

The ratings seem like semi-good news, anyway, but I can't imagine next week will be very close to this week after that lackluster opening.
Apparently we're never seeing the original pilot, so either it was stupendously bad, or has absolutely nothing to do with the so as it is now.
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Old February 14 2009, 08:27 PM   #59
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I like the pieces (Eliza specially). but not sure of the final product yet. I would have liked to see Caroline start to wake up in Echo or Paul to get a little closer, but right now this seems like a poorly written T&A copy of the Pretender
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Old February 14 2009, 08:29 PM   #60
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Knowing FOX, the original pilot was great, and most of the problems people have is due to memos from higher ups at FOX.

I think they explained too much in the episode, better begin with a blank slate the first episodes (no hint on who "Echo" was and so on) and begin to work in backstory and explanations after 10 episodes or so...

Above average. I feel that there's too much studio interference in this episode for it to be really good.
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