*~*~The Great J/C Thread~*~* - Page 12

Tachyon · February 17 2009, 07:03 AM

An example from another TV show: I have watched some "Without A Trace" recently and Jack and Samantha have some thing going on between them. I am not a fan of the show, but I watch it if I happen to be near TV at the time it airs. Personally I don't see any sparks between Jack and Samantha, so watching those little talks they have with each other and hints what could eventually happen between them is more or less insignificant for me. If those scenes were not there, I would have never even thought about such a pairing in the first place.

Cheile · February 17 2009, 07:10 AM

^ Jack and Samantha are exes (i used to watch WaT).

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Tachyon · February 17 2009, 07:34 AM

Cheile wrote:

(do you have instant messengers? IM me lol.)

Only Skype.

Guy Gardener · February 17 2009, 07:50 AM

And she was still the XO when the Cardassians ran the station.

Look how well that turned out as a lesson in co-operation.

tomalak301 · February 17 2009, 09:27 AM

I just watched Resolutions and man all those things that could have been. Much in the same way my problems with Human Error by not taking the next step with Seven by having a magical virus type thing, this episode fails to take the next step in Janeway and Chakotay's relationship. Pity there was no scene explaining why they had to go back to the status quo. Other than that and the boring monkey, it was a decent show but man the possibilities after it ends were right there.

Tachyon · February 17 2009, 09:49 AM

The end scene of Resolutions was so bittersweet!

(Though a little confusing, when they're supposed to check various ship systems, yet they ended up sitting there facing forward and doing nothing. And that's a sign that I have watched the episode perhaps one time too many. Lol.)

Cheile · February 17 2009, 10:18 AM

^ they were simply trying to pretend their moments of closeness never happened... :coughfailcough:!

Tachyon · February 17 2009, 11:03 AM

Cheile wrote:

^ they were simply trying to pretend their moments of closeness never happened... :coughfailcough:!

joyofvgr · February 17 2009, 03:03 PM

Cheile wrote:

^ they were simply trying to pretend their moments of closeness never happened... :coughfailcough:!

Which only proved even more that it did happen. And what about Coda? Given that they must have had that relationship on New Earth, then Janeway wanted to celebrate life, after her experience in Coda, with moonlight and a bottle of champagne, what do you think happened on that sail boat. Yet TPTB simply dropped the whole subject matter without explanation. I just don't get it.

JustKate · February 17 2009, 03:04 PM

And good for J and C (that is, going back to things as they were), I say!

Sorry. Honestly, I will NOT interrupt every "Ooh, but they are so magic together!" :

: discussion with my ethical/situational concerns. You guys deserve to have your fun, after all, and after all this is "The Great J/C Thread."

But every now and then, I hope you don't mind too much if I mention that I personally think the show is a lot better as is than it would have been if they'd let J/C blow up into a full-fledged romance. You will not believe me when I say this, but I would bet that quite a few of you would have found the resulting show...kind of disappointing.

And I personally wouldn't have liked it one little bit.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled yearning for what might have been.

es! · February 17 2009, 03:39 PM

JustKate,

ANY show is better off with the tension instead of the actual romance!

Paris/Torres has no appeal for me because it actually happened on screen. Same true for Scully/Mulder. X-Files were better before they came together in the last seasons.

mood: more tension, please.

JustKate · February 17 2009, 03:44 PM

I thought about saying just that, es, but I decided to be diplomatic. And you see how it worked out? It was said, but I didn't have to be the one to say it.

Tachyon · February 17 2009, 03:44 PM

Tension is good for me, too. I guess that is the reason why majority of the J/C fic is about them getting together (how the tension is solved) than actually telling a story of them together already.

Tom and B'Elanna were okay on screen couple for me, but once Odo and Kira (DS9) got together, that was a 'meh' moment for me. I prefered when Odo loved her from the distance.

And if J/C had happened on the screen, some may have complained anyway. BUT if it had happened in a way that Workforce was originally written, that would have been amaxing, because the tension would have been back after the two-parter.

Gorf · February 17 2009, 03:52 PM

This would not be allowed in the current military, I am pretty sure. You don’t command your spouse in a dangerous mission (and in the case of Voyager, that’s exactly what their initial pursuit of the Maquis was – let alone being stranded in the DQ). I know that if both are in the military and have children, there is a rule that only one can be deployed in a war zone at any one time. I’m not sure what happens if they’re childless, though.

The reasons are, it's too distracting and stressful for both parties, and besides, nobody wants to create a bunch of orphans.[/quote]

What I don't quite understand here is the strict comparison you make with today. Live was very different on earth 400 years ago and I'm sure it will be again in another 400 years.

I just don't think we can make such strict comparisons with the US military of today. Besides there are other countries with other military structures and strategies.

On top of that I don't think it's quite fair to make the demands you do of people stranded 70 years from home. To me that's a completely different situation than being deployed to Iraq or some other war zone.

If Janeway had any choice, I'm sure she'd agree with you, but since her choices are limited, I'm not so sure she always would. Usually the circumstances make the situation and the circumstances here are completely different than today's US military.

She might be a captain and it might be a Starfleet ship, but I think their extremely unusual situation calls for extremely unusual solutions at times.

But I still love ya!

And I love that we disagree - love to disagree. *huggles* I'm a sap and a hugger, I know, but you've got to love me for it.

Gorf · February 17 2009, 04:08 PM

es! wrote:

ANY show is better off with the tension instead of the actual romance!

Love tension, tension is good. *nods*

February 17 2009, 07:03 AM	#166
Tachyon Fleet Captain Location: Finland	Re: ~~The Great J/C Thread~~ An example from another TV show: I have watched some "Without A Trace" recently and Jack and Samantha have some thing going on between them. I am not a fan of the show, but I watch it if I happen to be near TV at the time it airs. Personally I don't see any sparks between Jack and Samantha, so watching those little talks they have with each other and hints what could eventually happen between them is more or less insignificant for me. If those scenes were not there, I would have never even thought about such a pairing in the first place.

February 17 2009, 07:10 AM	#167
Cheile Ensign	Re: ~~The Great J/C Thread~~ ^ Jack and Samantha are exes (i used to watch WaT). (do you have instant messengers? IM me lol.) __________________ *"If I threw my camera at a customer I would be fired on the spot....but [Picard] rams his basically brand new ship into another one and they rebuild it for him!"* -- Katesfire, 10/21/08

February 17 2009, 07:50 AM	#169
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: ~~The Great J/C Thread~~ And she was still the XO when the Cardassians ran the station. Look how well that turned out as a lesson in co-operation. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

February 17 2009, 09:27 AM	#170
tomalak301 Admiral Location: Bay Area, CA	Re: ~~The Great J/C Thread~~ I just watched Resolutions and man all those things that could have been. Much in the same way my problems with Human Error by not taking the next step with Seven by having a magical virus type thing, this episode fails to take the next step in Janeway and Chakotay's relationship. Pity there was no scene explaining why they had to go back to the status quo. Other than that and the boring monkey, it was a decent show but man the possibilities after it ends were right there.

February 17 2009, 09:49 AM	#171
Tachyon Fleet Captain Location: Finland	Re: ~~The Great J/C Thread~~ The end scene of Resolutions was so bittersweet! (Though a little confusing, when they're supposed to check various ship systems, yet they ended up sitting there facing forward and doing nothing. And that's a sign that I have watched the episode perhaps one time too many. Lol.)

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February 17 2009, 10:18 AM	#172
Cheile Ensign	Re: ~~The Great J/C Thread~~ ^ they were simply trying to pretend their moments of closeness never happened... :coughfailcough:! __________________ *"If I threw my camera at a customer I would be fired on the spot....but [Picard] rams his basically brand new ship into another one and they rebuild it for him!"* -- Katesfire, 10/21/08

February 17 2009, 03:04 PM	#175
JustKate Rear Admiral Location: Indiana, USA	Re: ~~The Great J/C Thread~~ And good for J and C (that is, going back to things as they were), I say! Sorry. Honestly, I will NOT interrupt every "Ooh, but they are so magic together!" :: discussion with my ethical/situational concerns. You guys deserve to have your fun, after all, and after all this is "The Great J/C Thread." But every now and then, I hope you don't mind too much if I mention that I personally think the show is a lot better as is than it would have been if they'd let J/C blow up into a full-fledged romance. You will not believe me when I say this, but I would bet that quite a few of you would have found the resulting show...kind of disappointing. And I personally wouldn't have liked it one little bit. You may now return to your regularly scheduled yearning for what might have been.

February 17 2009, 03:39 PM	#176
es! Commander Location: Austria	Re: ~~The Great J/C Thread~~ JustKate, ANY show is better off with the tension instead of the actual romance! Paris/Torres has no appeal for me because it actually happened on screen. Same true for Scully/Mulder. X-Files were better before they came together in the last seasons. mood: more tension, please.

February 17 2009, 03:44 PM	#177
JustKate Rear Admiral Location: Indiana, USA	Re: ~~The Great J/C Thread~~ I thought about saying just that, es, but I decided to be diplomatic. And you see how it worked out? It was said, but I didn't have to be the one to say it.

February 17 2009, 03:44 PM	#178
Tachyon Fleet Captain Location: Finland	Re: ~~The Great J/C Thread~~ Tension is good for me, too. I guess that is the reason why majority of the J/C fic is about them getting together (how the tension is solved) than actually telling a story of them together already. Tom and B'Elanna were okay on screen couple for me, but once Odo and Kira (DS9) got together, that was a 'meh' moment for me. I prefered when Odo loved her from the distance. And if J/C had happened on the screen, some may have complained anyway. BUT if it had happened in a way that Workforce was originally written, that would have been amaxing, because the tension would have been back after the two-parter.

February 17 2009, 03:52 PM	#179
Gorf Commander	Re: ~~The Great J/C Thread~~ This would not be allowed in the current military, I am pretty sure. You don’t command your spouse in a dangerous mission (and in the case of Voyager, that’s exactly what their initial pursuit of the Maquis was – let alone being stranded in the DQ). I know that if both are in the military and have children, there is a rule that only one can be deployed in a war zone at any one time. I’m not sure what happens if they’re childless, though. The reasons are, it's too distracting and stressful for both parties, and besides, nobody wants to create a bunch of orphans.[/quote] What I don't quite understand here is the strict comparison you make with today. Live was very different on earth 400 years ago and I'm sure it will be again in another 400 years. I just don't think we can make such strict comparisons with the US military of today. Besides there are other countries with other military structures and strategies. On top of that I don't think it's quite fair to make the demands you do of people stranded 70 years from home. To me that's a completely different situation than being deployed to Iraq or some other war zone. If Janeway had any choice, I'm sure she'd agree with you, but since her choices are limited, I'm not so sure she always would. Usually the circumstances make the situation and the circumstances here are completely different than today's US military. She might be a captain and it might be a Starfleet ship, but I think their extremely unusual situation calls for extremely unusual solutions at times. But I still love ya! And I love that we disagree - love to disagree. huggles I'm a sap and a hugger, I know, but you've got to love me for it. __________________ Just one Militant Janeway 'Roach' amongst many and proud of it. Avatar created by x-Dana. huggles Last edited by Gorf; February 17 2009 at 04:06 PM.