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Old February 18 2009, 11:39 AM   #1
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Talaxia was Occupied by evil baddies too.

Kathryn destroyed Caretaker's Array, not because it would give the Kazon the awesome power to conquer the entire galaxy, to attack and pillage any planet, any ship, no matter how many hundreds of years they might be in advance of the Kazons stolen and running down Trabe tech, in any quadrant with the same nifty intragalactic tractor beam which extracted Voyager from merely 70 thousand light years away, a feat they could repeat over and over again, for loot and evolution, till they're ass deep in Starships that make Voyager look like a rickety barge, but while fetching these baubles, there's nothing stopping them from intentionally murdering the crews of their prey in transit if the slave market isn't all that lucrative at the... But I digress: Because Caretaker warned the pretty lady that the Kazon would take Ocampas water.

As if the new emperors of the Universe, who could mass drive and ransom any world inside the Milky Way form the comfort of dozens of of thousands of Light years away, that they couldn't be collecting tribute and tax from a thousand worlds after being in command of the array for only a few weeks, would be still interested in some puddle stored underground behind a force field they now owned the off switch for?

If you thought Cuba in the 60s with Nuclear weapons was scary, imagine if the Mob got hold of a couple? You'd wonder if the DEA would be so blase about burning down billions of dollars of cocaine crops, if the organized Crime turned Idaho into a more useless good for nothing crater, but smoking.

So Kathyrn went out of her way, broke the prime Directive because she was upset that some one she just met with an unfortunate haircut, who she already saw as a slave being mistreated possibly sexually (there was a vibe.) that she couldn't accept/condone conceptualizing the entire species being treated in like kind to be also sold on the auction block as... Well, no, no one wants Ocampan slaves, the dealy from the mouth of the Caretaker was that the kazon were going to ignore the Ocampa until they all starved to death right? Um? Isn't that what the Prime Directive is all about? ignoring people so that they can learn to stand on their own two feat and be prideful about how they get where they're going? Y'know, the opposite of Iraq?

So Hypothetically stuff "might" have happened to the Ocampa some-when over a 5 year timetable when the "power" runs out, and they'll all die if the Kazon don't Huff and puff and blow their forcefield in, to suck up their reservoir and the Ocampa wink out from hunger and thirst well before that, but Neelix's lot were already literally under the boot of the Haakonian Order, their planet conquered and their civilization scattered across the Quadrant trying to avoid the unpleasant edicts of their alien overmasters?

Surely it was Neelix's people who needed help in the beginning and not Kes's lot?

Voyager would have been welcomed as a liberator as they stormed the Talaxian orbital defenses and demanded that everything that was unjust shouldn't be so any more... And even if this was a messy, Prime Directive shattering, thought for the pilot, it's odd that Neelix never asked no one if they could save his people from the monsters who murdered his sister and kept the rest of his people pacified and cowered by the lightest threat of the Metreon Cascade at any later point in the first season.

Unless Neelix was in denial, or honestly didn't care.
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Old February 18 2009, 12:32 PM   #2
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Re: Talaxia was Occupied by evil baddies too.

Guy Gardener wrote: View Post

Unless Neelix was in denial, or honestly didn't care.
Now it's been ages since I've seen this but I think that as originally written Neelix was a bit more of a shit and shady character than the creepy just released sex offender he was portrayed as later - so I think he just didn't care.
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Old February 18 2009, 01:37 PM   #3
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One ship against unknown number of enemy warships. Voyager was better off moving on. Neelix didn't even ask Janeway to drive them out of Talaxia. He knew better.
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Old February 18 2009, 08:34 PM   #4
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Re: Talaxia was Occupied by evil baddies too.

Before they broke the bible, about Voyager being a couple hundred years ahead of the rest of the locals, y'know so that every one would look up to them and be just a little hesitantly afraid, merely having transporter technology when no one else knew how to defend against such things, or that this technology was even possible...

All you have to do to win a war is capture the king.
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Old February 19 2009, 01:40 AM   #5
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^assuming all enemy fighters are loyal to that one "king". A war with the Kazon will keep going on even if the leader of one faction was captured, and that faction wiped out.
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Old February 19 2009, 03:04 AM   #6
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The Kazon were not fthe oreign landlords of Talaxia.

Although Kullah spaced some of his competition using his stolen transporter which allowed him to co-opt his former rivals resources and manpower.

Being Kazon is to be Morally liquid.

Bow to the alpha dog, no matter who that might be.

They are like the game Othello

Back to talaxia. .

From our brief encounter with Jetrel, and what little we know about the Harkonan Order, they seem to be just a typical space faring civilization that decided they wanted to own their neighbors. It happens. Thou shalt not covet.

Voyager was at war from day one with the Kazon, not that kathy believed the kazon when they reminded her that the were at war with her because they are laughable and their technology is pathetic. Have you seen "The Mouse that Roared"? In the movie a tiny country decided to lose a war to America since, it is very lucrative to lose a war to America, what with the reconstruction and loans and facilitation... Unfortunately in the movie, America lost by accident. But Kathryn forgot or didn't care that she was between the cross hairs since it was literally a negligible threat, even after Seska tied in her lot with them.

If kathy had been on the ball a little more and accepting that there were people out there that found her a little obnoxious, then maybe she wouldn't have been caught flatfooted and lost her ship at the end of season two... Though, I do give her three thumbs up for the attempted alliance she tried to put together between the trabe and the kazon in Alliance, considering all that Dala got out of empire building and marketing under the Voyager Brand I'm surprised that Janeway's reaction was only "Why didn't we ever think of doing this?"

C'mon, they never considered creating a second federation that would one day meet up with the original in the middle of the galaxy? There was a planet of Humans they found in the 37s that probably had a right to belong to the federation since they were the same species as the founding members that Janeway didn't have much right to withhold philosophy or technology from them... Infact, if the 37s, being Human, did try to go against the Starfleet way, hypothetically withholding aide and supplies from Voayger, wouldn't that make them Maquis?
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Old February 19 2009, 03:23 AM   #7
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Re: Talaxia was Occupied by evil baddies too.

who she already saw as a slave being mistreated possibly sexually (there was a vibe.)
Now I'm sure I would've noticed a vibe!!
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