A Semi-Hater Revisits Voyager - Page 2

The Grim Ghost · February 10 2009, 06:12 AM

Liking Enterprise over Voyager? GodBen, how could you?

I happen to share most of your criticisms.

I've always thought the 1st episode of Voyager was extremely weak and that most of the 1st season is fairly bad. In fact I feel that there are more boring/bad episodes scattered throughout Voyager than any of the other TNG time period series. There is something addictive about it though. Something keeps me coming back and makes me look past the bad bits. Maybe you'll feel the same way.

Actually I think it is the Doctor, I just love that guy!

Tachyon · February 10 2009, 06:24 AM

Parallax is one of my fav episodes.

tomalak301 · February 10 2009, 07:23 AM

I've kind of had a soft spot for Time And Again for some reason. It's one of my favorites from the first season.

number6 · February 10 2009, 07:28 AM

tomalak301 wrote:

I've kind of had a soft spot for Time And Again for some reason. It's one of my favorites from the first season.

I liked that one as well, though I most definitely wanted to smack the sh*t out of that kid!!

Lynx · February 10 2009, 07:52 AM

tomalak301 wrote:

I've kind of had a soft spot for Time And Again for some reason. It's one of my favorites from the first season.

Me too! That episode is definitely one of my top 10 favorites.

As for the kid, I just love Tom's little prank with that comment "we ate him!"

jongredic · February 10 2009, 12:20 PM

number6 wrote:

tomalak301 wrote:

I've kind of had a soft spot for Time And Again for some reason. It's one of my favorites from the first season.

I liked that one as well, though I most definitely wanted to smack the sh*t out of that kid!!

I'm kinda relieved I'm not the only one who was hoping for a bit of the old violence against alien children there

To be honest, I'm not overly keen on that episode. The main bulk of the story is good, but I've never been a fan of reset buttons of any sort

I do kinda like Parallax though, despite the technobabble. Tom's the voice of the viewers for that episode. A bit of representation at last!

TheGodBen · February 10 2009, 02:33 PM

There is a great moment in Time and Again where Janeway refuses to play along so one of the protesters pulls a gun on the kid, but then Tom jumped in the way of the bullet.

I must say that I liked that moment for Janeway as well as she refused to play along with the situation. She's a much stronger character than I remembered her, at least she is in these early episodes. Pity about that bun though.

jongredic · February 10 2009, 02:51 PM

The size of that bun is directly proportional to how "Janeway" she is. The bigger the bun, ohhh you can bet there's an irreplacable, limited edition photon torpedo coming your way.

By the time the bob rolls around, it's omnidirectional phaser sweeps and Federation piety for breakfast

Vampire Kirk · February 10 2009, 05:41 PM

kimc wrote:

It seems a lot of people who give Voyager a second chance once they're older gain a better appreciation for it. Enjoy the journey and keep us posted.

Sounds like me. I never really liked it when it was on, but decided to pick up season four on a whim a while ago. Great stuff.

TheGodBen · February 10 2009, 06:15 PM

Phage (****)

This is an episode I was worried about because I knew it was going to focus on Neelix, but I found it quite enjoyable. The Doctor begins to develop a personality and there is a good odd-couple vibe going on between him and Neelix. The Doctor also manages to throw in some good one-liners.

Neelix still hasn’t managed to annoy me, surprisingly enough. I do wonder exactly how he managed to build his galley overnight without getting authorisation, but the idea that Voyager needs to adapt like this is a good one that seems to get dropped at some point.

I have always enjoyed the Vidiians since they are very sympathetic villains and certainly not your usual Trek aliens. How can we judge them for wanting to survive? Would we stoop to harvesting people’s organs if the same thing happened to us? I like Janeway’s speech at the end where she comes to realise that she cannot do anything to stop them because of the situation Voyager is in, this does help separate this show from TNG and DS9 where the Vidiians would doubtlessly be arrested and brought to trial.

A solid instalment.

Tachyon · February 10 2009, 08:19 PM

Phage is one of my favs from season 1. Most definitely. Vidiians were such an amazing villain. The tradegy of them made them more than your awerage one dimensional bad guys of the quadrant.

DGCatAniSiri · February 10 2009, 09:56 PM

I think Phage should have been aired first after Caretaker - it's a good story that emphasizes the differences between the Alpha and Delta Quadrants, since if they were an Alpha Quadrant Alien of the Week, they could just petition for medical assistance from the Federation and recieve it, while in the Delta Quadrant, the species has to resort to organ piracy. It would have been a good hook, better than a technobabble plot, heavy on the characters or not.

And I also love Tom's 'we ate him because we are demons and I'm still hungry' bit. Never fails to amuse me.

spoonunseptium · February 11 2009, 01:23 AM

Heh, I watched the entire series from beginning to end last year when I was just 17, and loved it. All the people I know who like Voyager are teenagers.

So, I don't see an validity in the notion that you like it better when you grow up.

anyway. I appreciate Voyager for all of its allegories and philosohical words of wisdom and ethical dilemmas...though I quickly discovered that that is the entire underlying thread of Star Trek- exploring humanity and whatnot.

And, once I started watching other series like TNG or TOS, I had to get used to the fact that the Enterprise could contact Starfleet for backup at almost any time. After being Trek-trained(as I call it) on Voyager, it was weird to realize that the starships could take a couple of days to swing by earth.

I think Voyager is superior in that way; they can't just call up Starfleet, they're all alone and must achieve their goal without anyone's help. Plus, the entire run of the show was about getting home, so it was all very driven.

For that reason, I find the other series to be a wee bit less inspiring.

Although, Emissary is, out of all five series, the best pilot episode.

leola · February 11 2009, 01:29 AM

What a great time to find this thread! I missed most of ST:V first time around due to living a crazy life, but was a huge TNG fan and desperately tried to catch what I could, plus jaded reports from hubby. Needless to say, epic fail. I rediscovered it 3 yrs ago while recuperating from accidentally slicing wrist tendons and being told to sit and do absolutely nothing... yeah right. Spike was airing 5 hrs of ST/day and I tuned in to TNG and then Caretaker was on right after. It was love. I became a huge Janeway fan, and soaked up all I could. Not all epis were phenomenal, but fan-fic repairs all!

Fast forward to now, and I'm recovering from repairing those same tendon repairs, and rewatching V on DVD as I'm sitting, doing absolutely nothing (and typing left-handed). I'm enjoying this board, and these commentaries, and hope to contribute.

Welcome, other 'new' old fans.

freak · February 11 2009, 06:01 AM

You know I happen to agree..it's nice to see that Voyager haters of the past come back like years later and watch the series again and then start to get hooked on it.

I was basically the same way. Years 1-4 really stuck out for me..but when Year 5 came around, it started to dull a bit for some reason(even though I still loved the series as a whole). Year 7 was the worst for me..I guess because I was realizing that it was gonna be over soon and it really got to me. Especially when Neelix left! At first I thought: oh this is a joke..he'll come back later on. But when he REALLY left, it made me realize that uh-oh, this series is fixing to go bye-bye. And it killed me when it ended!!!! Then I said: wait, THAT'S the END?!?! What are you kidding me?!?! Suffice to say, it didn't end like I wanted it too. But that's what fanfic is for.

February 10 2009, 06:12 AM	#16
The Grim Ghost Fleet Captain Location: Thee Olde Spook Shack	Re: A Hater Revisits Voyager Liking Enterprise over Voyager? GodBen, how could you? I happen to share most of your criticisms. I've always thought the 1st episode of Voyager was extremely weak and that most of the 1st season is fairly bad. In fact I feel that there are more boring/bad episodes scattered throughout Voyager than any of the other TNG time period series. There is something addictive about it though. Something keeps me coming back and makes me look past the bad bits. Maybe you'll feel the same way. Actually I think it is the Doctor, I just love that guy! __________________ Life looks better in black and white.

February 10 2009, 06:24 AM	#17
Tachyon Fleet Captain Location: Finland	Re: A Hater Revisits Voyager Parallax is one of my fav episodes.

February 10 2009, 07:23 AM	#18
tomalak301 Admiral Location: Bay Area, CA	Re: A Hater Revisits Voyager I've kind of had a soft spot for Time And Again for some reason. It's one of my favorites from the first season.

February 10 2009, 02:33 PM	#22
TheGodBen Rear Admiral Location: Ireland	Re: A Hater Revisits Voyager There is a great moment in Time and Again where Janeway refuses to play along so one of the protesters pulls a gun on the kid, but then Tom jumped in the way of the bullet. I must say that I liked that moment for Janeway as well as she refused to play along with the situation. She's a much stronger character than I remembered her, at least she is in these early episodes. Pity about that bun though.

February 10 2009, 02:51 PM	#23
jongredic Fleet Captain Location: England	Re: A Hater Revisits Voyager The size of that bun is directly proportional to how "Janeway" she is. The bigger the bun, ohhh you can bet there's an irreplacable, limited edition photon torpedo coming your way. By the time the bob rolls around, it's omnidirectional phaser sweeps and Federation piety for breakfast __________________ Let's bluesify it by, like, twenty percent...

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February 10 2009, 06:15 PM	#25
TheGodBen Rear Admiral Location: Ireland	Re: A Hater Revisits Voyager Phage (****) This is an episode I was worried about because I knew it was going to focus on Neelix, but I found it quite enjoyable. The Doctor begins to develop a personality and there is a good odd-couple vibe going on between him and Neelix. The Doctor also manages to throw in some good one-liners. Neelix still hasn’t managed to annoy me, surprisingly enough. I do wonder exactly how he managed to build his galley overnight without getting authorisation, but the idea that Voyager needs to adapt like this is a good one that seems to get dropped at some point. I have always enjoyed the Vidiians since they are very sympathetic villains and certainly not your usual Trek aliens. How can we judge them for wanting to survive? Would we stoop to harvesting people’s organs if the same thing happened to us? I like Janeway’s speech at the end where she comes to realise that she cannot do anything to stop them because of the situation Voyager is in, this does help separate this show from TNG and DS9 where the Vidiians would doubtlessly be arrested and brought to trial. A solid instalment.

February 10 2009, 08:19 PM	#26
Tachyon Fleet Captain Location: Finland	Re: A Hater Revisits Voyager Phage is one of my favs from season 1. Most definitely. Vidiians were such an amazing villain. The tradegy of them made them more than your awerage one dimensional bad guys of the quadrant.

February 10 2009, 09:56 PM	#27
DGCatAniSiri Captain	Re: A Hater Revisits Voyager I think Phage should have been aired first after Caretaker - it's a good story that emphasizes the differences between the Alpha and Delta Quadrants, since if they were an Alpha Quadrant Alien of the Week, they could just petition for medical assistance from the Federation and recieve it, while in the Delta Quadrant, the species has to resort to organ piracy. It would have been a good hook, better than a technobabble plot, heavy on the characters or not. And I also love Tom's 'we ate him because we are demons and I'm still hungry' bit. Never fails to amuse me.

February 11 2009, 01:23 AM	#28
spoonunseptium Lieutenant Commander Location: in the future	Re: A Hater Revisits Voyager Heh, I watched the entire series from beginning to end last year when I was just 17, and loved it. All the people I know who like Voyager are teenagers. So, I don't see an validity in the notion that you like it better when you grow up. anyway. I appreciate Voyager for all of its allegories and philosohical words of wisdom and ethical dilemmas...though I quickly discovered that that is the entire underlying thread of Star Trek- exploring humanity and whatnot. And, once I started watching other series like TNG or TOS, I had to get used to the fact that the Enterprise could contact Starfleet for backup at almost any time. After being Trek-trained(as I call it) on Voyager, it was weird to realize that the starships could take a couple of days to swing by earth. I think Voyager is superior in that way; they can't just call up Starfleet, they're all alone and must achieve their goal without anyone's help. Plus, the entire run of the show was about getting home, so it was all very driven. For that reason, I find the other series to be a wee bit less inspiring. Although, Emissary is, out of all five series, the best pilot episode. __________________ ´¨) ¸.·´¸.·´¨) ¸.·¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·´Bright Star, would I were stedfast as thou art

February 11 2009, 01:29 AM	#29
leola Lieutenant Location: Canada	Re: A Hater Revisits Voyager What a great time to find this thread! I missed most of ST:V first time around due to living a crazy life, but was a huge TNG fan and desperately tried to catch what I could, plus jaded reports from hubby. Needless to say, epic fail. I rediscovered it 3 yrs ago while recuperating from accidentally slicing wrist tendons and being told to sit and do absolutely nothing... yeah right. Spike was airing 5 hrs of ST/day and I tuned in to TNG and then Caretaker was on right after. It was love. I became a huge Janeway fan, and soaked up all I could. Not all epis were phenomenal, but fan-fic repairs all! Fast forward to now, and I'm recovering from repairing those same tendon repairs, and rewatching V on DVD as I'm sitting, doing absolutely nothing (and typing left-handed). I'm enjoying this board, and these commentaries, and hope to contribute. Welcome, other 'new' old fans.

February 11 2009, 06:01 AM	#30
freak Commodore Location: stationed at NCIS post Voyager.	Re: A Hater Revisits Voyager You know I happen to agree..it's nice to see that Voyager haters of the past come back like years later and watch the series again and then start to get hooked on it. I was basically the same way. Years 1-4 really stuck out for me..but when Year 5 came around, it started to dull a bit for some reason(even though I still loved the series as a whole). Year 7 was the worst for me..I guess because I was realizing that it was gonna be over soon and it really got to me. Especially when Neelix left! At first I thought: oh this is a joke..he'll come back later on. But when he REALLY left, it made me realize that uh-oh, this series is fixing to go bye-bye. And it killed me when it ended!!!! Then I said: wait, THAT'S the END?!?! What are you kidding me?!?! Suffice to say, it didn't end like I wanted it too. But that's what fanfic is for.