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Old June 1 2009, 12:01 AM   #1516
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The Killing Game, Part 2 (*½)

To put it simply, this episode is just like part one but slightly better. They finally get around to the point of the thing, which is that the commandant guy wants to save his people using the holodeck technology. The rest of the episode is just more fun with alien nazis, and we get Neelix as Klingon too. This is emmy material right here folks.
Hey, I liked Klingon Neelix. Am I falsely remembering a Klingon Janeway?

This episode definitely had more meat and less potatoes. But I still like the potatoes, just not as much as the meat. Cool Nazi set pieces can only get you so far. (BTW, I did like J. Paul Boehmer's performance as a holo-Nazi. Good actor, that guy.)

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Sickbay was destroyed in an explosion, corridors are falling apart, the holo-grid was forcefully overloaded across half the ship, crewmembers are being shot and potentially killed at every turn, and apparently the fighting continued for several days after the main events of this episode. I'm looking forward to the follow-up for all this in the next episode.
"See for yourself the quintessential devil in these matters..."

This was the big sticking point for me. Okay, so Voyager, with only minimal resources that they can barely run the hologrid and replicators at times, is converted by a few members of a non-technophile race (and yeah, I know that might be debatable and I know they had Harry's help) into a giant holodeck, cutting through bulkheads and compromising the ship's systems? I mean, they made a big deal over trying to install holoprojectors through the ship for the Doc in earlier eps! And sickbay was fraking destroyed! Obliterated!

Voyager should be utterly wrecked and useless in the next episode, since there was no reset button at the end a la "Year of Hell."

(Hey, GB, wanna share a twelve-pack on the next one? I think we may need it.)
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Old June 1 2009, 12:25 AM   #1517
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Judging by my graphs, I considered season 3 to be overloaded with poor episodes with not enough good episodes to balance things out. Season 2 was more evenly balanced but still underperformed.


The Killing Game, Part 2 (*½)

To put it simply, this episode is just like part one but slightly better. They finally get around to the point of the thing, which is that the commandant guy wants to save his people using the holodeck technology. The rest of the episode is just more fun with alien nazis, and we get Neelix as Klingon too. This is emmy material right here folks.

Sickbay was destroyed in an explosion, corridors are falling apart, the holo-grid was forcefully overloaded across half the ship, crewmembers are being shot and potentially killed at every turn, and apparently the fighting continued for several days after the main events of this episode. I'm looking forward to the follow-up for all this in the next episode.


GodBen, the next episode is amazing! It will open up with Voyager sitting in an alien shipyard undergoing repairs. Torres will be complaining about the difficulty of incorporating so much alien tech into a Starfleet ship. There is a wonderful little scene between Ken Shmully and Joe Carey as the Doc gives him all sorts of "helpful" suggestions about ways to improve the new sickbay design. There is also a subplot with Neelix and Janeway discussing the cost of the repairs with the dockyard administrator and Janeway wondering how to cope with the fact that they have no money. She'll be forced to confront her aversion to sharing starfleet tech for necessary services. Janeway and Chuckles will have a heart to heart about what to do about all the crew they lost to the Hirogen, and Janeway will have a dramatic breakdown when Lt. Torres informs her that the shuttle-o-matic was irreparably dammaged but they were able to trade it with the aliens to help pay for the ship's repairs.
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Old June 1 2009, 12:27 AM   #1518
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(Hey, GB, wanna share a twelve-pack on the next one? I think we may need it.)
Split that twelve-pack three ways, would you?
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Old June 1 2009, 12:56 AM   #1519
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Aye.
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Old June 1 2009, 01:44 AM   #1520
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If we're splitting it three ways then we'll need more than a twelve-pack. I am Irish, after all.

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Hey, I liked Klingon Neelix. Am I falsely remembering a Klingon Janeway?
Klingon Janeway was the big WTF beginning of the first part. As for Klingon Neelix, he made absolutely no sense because he still looked like a Talaxian but with head ridges. I mean, what the hell? A half-magic holodeck?

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GodBen, the next episode is amazing! It will open up with Voyager sitting in an alien shipyard undergoing repairs. Torres will be complaining about the difficulty of incorporating so much alien tech into a Starfleet ship. There is a wonderful little scene between Ken Shmully and Joe Carey as the Doc gives him all sorts of "helpful" suggestions about ways to improve the new sickbay design. There is also a subplot with Neelix and Janeway discussing the cost of the repairs with the dockyard administrator and Janeway wondering how to cope with the fact that they have no money. She'll be forced to confront her aversion to sharing starfleet tech for necessary services. Janeway and Chuckles will have a heart to heart about what to do about all the crew they lost to the Hirogen, and Janeway will have a dramatic breakdown when Lt. Torres informs her that the shuttle-o-matic was irreparably dammaged but they were able to trade it with the aliens to help pay for the ship's repairs.
Sounds great! And here I was thinking that it was going to be a pointless body-snatcher episode.
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Old June 1 2009, 02:02 AM   #1521
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GodBen, the next episode is amazing! It will open up with Voyager sitting in an alien shipyard undergoing repairs. Torres will be complaining about the difficulty of incorporating so much alien tech into a Starfleet ship. There is a wonderful little scene between Ken Shmully and Joe Carey as the Doc gives him all sorts of "helpful" suggestions about ways to improve the new sickbay design. There is also a subplot with Neelix and Janeway discussing the cost of the repairs with the dockyard administrator and Janeway wondering how to cope with the fact that they have no money. She'll be forced to confront her aversion to sharing starfleet tech for necessary services. Janeway and Chuckles will have a heart to heart about what to do about all the crew they lost to the Hirogen, and Janeway will have a dramatic breakdown when Lt. Torres informs her that the shuttle-o-matic was irreparably dammaged but they were able to trade it with the aliens to help pay for the ship's repairs.
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Old June 1 2009, 04:48 AM   #1522
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Hmm... Episode about Voyager getting repaired. B'Elanna fixing things with her staff and others contemplating how bad Voyager's condition is.... Something worth telling for 40 minutes? Riiight. I guess I have different ideas about what constitutes an episode worth watching.
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Hmm... Episode about Voyager getting repaired. B'Elanna fixing things with her staff and others contemplating how bad Voyager's condition is.... Something worth telling for 40 minutes? Riiight. I guess I have different ideas about what constitutes an episode worth watching.
it's not like we were ever treated to episodes where voyager had to run in "gray mode" or had to set down on a planet for a major overhaul of the warp drive.
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Old June 1 2009, 07:51 AM   #1524
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Nightingale.

Voyager was planetside in pieces, and the baddies were bombing her from orbit because Kim doesn't understand that choosing sides in a war is a prime directive and non interference violation.
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Old June 1 2009, 09:10 AM   #1525
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Hmm... Episode about Voyager getting repaired. B'Elanna fixing things with her staff and others contemplating how bad Voyager's condition is.... Something worth telling for 40 minutes? Riiight. I guess I have different ideas about what constitutes an episode worth watching.
it's not like we were ever treated to episodes where voyager had to run in "gray mode" or had to set down on a planet for a major overhaul of the warp drive.
And why would such a story be worth telling? Why would the viewers want to see something like that for 40 minutes?

And also - what Guy said above.
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Hmm... Episode about Voyager getting repaired. B'Elanna fixing things with her staff and others contemplating how bad Voyager's condition is.... Something worth telling for 40 minutes? Riiight. I guess I have different ideas about what constitutes an episode worth watching.
it's not like we were ever treated to episodes where voyager had to run in "gray mode" or had to set down on a planet for a major overhaul of the warp drive.
And why would such a story be worth telling? Why would the viewers want to see something like that for 40 minutes?

And also - what Guy said above.
We don't even nmeed to see it. They can just make the first line of the episode: "Captain's log, stardate 47474.7: we have left the repair station of the friendly aliens who helped us reverse the damage the Hirogen caused. Now on to the crisis of the week."
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Hmm... Episode about Voyager getting repaired. B'Elanna fixing things with her staff and others contemplating how bad Voyager's condition is.... Something worth telling for 40 minutes? Riiight. I guess I have different ideas about what constitutes an episode worth watching.
it's not like we were ever treated to episodes where voyager had to run in "gray mode" or had to set down on a planet for a major overhaul of the warp drive.
And why would such a story be worth telling? Why would the viewers want to see something like that for 40 minutes?

And also - what Guy said above.
Hmmm....even Enterprise managed to make one of its more interesting episodes about this very premise.

Good writers manage to incorporate those details into stories rather than simply ignore them.
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Old June 1 2009, 01:05 PM   #1528
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it's not like we were ever treated to episodes where voyager had to run in "gray mode" or had to set down on a planet for a major overhaul of the warp drive.
And why would such a story be worth telling? Why would the viewers want to see something like that for 40 minutes?

And also - what Guy said above.
Hmmm....even Enterprise managed to make one of its more interesting episodes about this very premise.

Good writers manage to incorporate those details into stories rather than simply ignore them.
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Hmmm....even Enterprise managed to make one of its more interesting episodes about this very premise.
Thank goodness Voyager didn't.
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And why would such a story be worth telling? Why would the viewers want to see something like that for 40 minutes?
Go watch Enterprise's Damage, I consider it to be one of the greatest episodes of modern Trek and the one of the major reasons why I regard that show as superior to Voyager.
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