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Old April 2 2009, 12:31 AM   #61
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Re: Most Obnoxious: Neelix or Phlox?

Phlox was more obnoxious and had a buttocks on his forehead. I'm certainly glad we were never privy to his bathroom habits.
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Old April 2 2009, 01:49 AM   #62
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Re: Most Obnoxious: Neelix or Phlox?

I agree that Neelix has naive tendencies, and much more of a "happy-go-lucky Golly Gee" kind of attitude than Phlox. It made him endearing at times, but mostly it made him annoying. I appreciated his passion for food and think that part worked out well. But I suspect he didn't have a physical relationship with Kes. They probably just "cuddled" a lot. Why? Well, who knows if Talaxian and Ocampan physiology is compatible. Yet even though Kes was young and naive in her own way, she was cautious and intelligent. Personally, I don't think she ever really "bought into" Neelix. She appeased him to a degree, but that was it. And I think in some ways that made Neelix frustrated and overtly jealous if anyone flirted with Kes (he was certainly unsure about whether Kes was devoted to him). Of course, it got to a point where Kes finally said "heh, sorry bub--you ain't getting any from me; let's officially call it quits".

Anyway, Neelix did have enough technical understanding to jump in and handle things when called for. The last episode showed him the most assertive he has ever been through the whole series, AFAIK. I appreciated it.

We never got to know Phlox that well. He was rather curious, especially with the polygamy thing. Smug at times, yes. But I never got a strong sense of obnoxious from him.
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Old April 7 2009, 03:40 AM   #63
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Re: Most Obnoxious: Neelix or Phlox?

Neelix - I love the actor but cannot stand the character.
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Old April 7 2009, 06:42 AM   #64
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Re: Most Obnoxious: Neelix or Phlox?

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But I suspect he didn't have a physical relationship with Kes. They probably just "cuddled" a lot. Why? Well, who knows if Talaxian and Ocampan physiology is compatible.
When Kes thought she was entering the 'elogium', she and Neelix planned to have a child together, so I'm assuming that they are compatible (or, at the very least, the EMH could treat them so that they are).
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Old April 8 2009, 02:13 PM   #65
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Re: Most Obnoxious: Neelix or Phlox?

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But I suspect he didn't have a physical relationship with Kes. They probably just "cuddled" a lot. Why? Well, who knows if Talaxian and Ocampan physiology is compatible.
When Kes thought she was entering the 'elogium', she and Neelix planned to have a child together, so I'm assuming that they are compatible (or, at the very least, the EMH could treat them so that they are).
I agree with Gary 7, on this one.

I don't Neelix & Kes ever had intercourse together. Why would she ask him to be the father of her child if they were already phyically intimate? Kes wasn't having sex with anyone else and Neelix was the only one she was phyically close too. If they were having sex, him being the father would be understood without asking.
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Old April 8 2009, 02:29 PM   #66
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Re: Most Obnoxious: Neelix or Phlox?

Babaganoosh wrote: View Post
When Kes thought she was entering the 'elogium', she and Neelix planned to have a child together, so I'm assuming that they are compatible (or, at the very least, the EMH could treat them so that they are).
Does anybody else get an image of a Phillips-head screwdriver trying to turn a flat-head screw when they think about interspecies mating? Because the imagery is disturbing me.
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Old April 8 2009, 02:30 PM   #67
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Re: Most Obnoxious: Neelix or Phlox?

^ Honestly - and I am using that word in its fullest sense here - I'd really really really really really rather not even think about it.
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Old April 8 2009, 02:41 PM   #68
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Prudes.
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Old April 8 2009, 02:53 PM   #69
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^ [channeling Maxwell Smart]And loving it![/Max]
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Old April 8 2009, 03:13 PM   #70
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Po' thang.


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Old April 8 2009, 04:09 PM   #71
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Re: Most Obnoxious: Neelix or Phlox?

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When Kes thought she was entering the 'elogium', she and Neelix planned to have a child together, so I'm assuming that they are compatible (or, at the very least, the EMH could treat them so that they are).
Does anybody else get an image of a Phillips-head screwdriver trying to turn a flat-head screw when they think about interspecies mating? Because the imagery is disturbing me.
Well I do now. Thanks so much.

But I get your point.

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Old April 8 2009, 05:23 PM   #72
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^ Honestly - and I am using that word in its fullest sense here - I'd really really really really really rather not even think about it.
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Well I do now. Thanks so much.
Sorry everyone. It is just a thought which popped into my head when Trip and T'Pol hooked up on Enterprise and I wondered if Vulcans are pointy in other places too. That's when the idea of plus-shapes came into it.

(Edit: And that was a poorly thought out word choice on my part.)
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Old April 9 2009, 01:41 AM   #73
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Re: Most Obnoxious: Neelix or Phlox?

Niether. They were both Good Characters. Phlow is better than Neelix though. If we're looking for annoying, overused characters, that honor goes to Seven of Nine.
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Old April 9 2009, 01:46 AM   #74
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Re: Most Obnoxious: Neelix or Phlox?

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I don't Neelix & Kes ever had intercourse together. Why would she ask him to be the father of her child if they were already phyically intimate? Kes wasn't having sex with anyone else and Neelix was the only one she was phyically close too. If they were having sex, him being the father would be understood without asking.
A lot of people have sex without thinking about having a baby. If you're smart about it you're going to make sure you're using birth control and only have a child when you decide it's the right time. One can assume that Kes and Neelix were intimate but not planning a family at the time the elogium hit. Consequently, asking Neelix if he wanted to be a father would be the right thing to do.
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Old April 9 2009, 02:54 PM   #75
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I don't Neelix & Kes ever had intercourse together. Why would she ask him to be the father of her child if they were already phyically intimate? Kes wasn't having sex with anyone else and Neelix was the only one she was phyically close too. If they were having sex, him being the father would be understood without asking.
A lot of people have sex without thinking about having a baby. If you're smart about it you're going to make sure you're using birth control and only have a child when you decide it's the right time. One can assume that Kes and Neelix were intimate but not planning a family at the time the elogium hit. Consequently, asking Neelix if he wanted to be a father would be the right thing to do.
I would agree if they hadn't established in the ep. that the Elogium was also the start of puberty. Which means Kes has no sexual "desire" before that and no need for birth control because she wouldn't be fertile yet either.

If Neelix & Kes are to be assumed of having sexual intercourse before she hit puberty, then she'd be "legally" underage and Neelix was raping her.
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