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Old February 5 2009, 10:10 AM   #16
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Re: So after watching Smallville's "Power"...

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Both male and female superhero characters in comic books are presented as ideals. They are not intended to be realistic, it's part of who they are and it's not really discussed. If it was, wouldn't superheroines be inundated with requests to pose for Playboy, modelling contracts etc ?

Surely millions of teenage boys would have posters of Ms. Marvel, Wonder Woman, Power Girl and the like on their walls ?

Power Girl is the chief exception since she complains about how she is treated while wearing an outfit that doesn't exactly repel the eye.

She-Hulk seems to be quite proud of supposedly having the largest breasts in the Marvel Universe, but then she is occasionally written as if she realises she is a comic book character anyway.
Ah, such great words...

Adding to that, men don't complain about being objectified, Technobuilder. Nightwing is NEVER going to complain about all the women who keep staring and commenting on his super ripped abs.

I don't see why anyone complains about how these women are drawn. It's just a comicbook. They're supposed to be drawn super sexy and perfect. There was a whole big controversy over the cover of Heroes for Hire #13:

The 2006 volume of Heroes for Hire was at the center of a controversy concerning increased sexuality in mainstream comic books due to the, what some considered, explicit cover art to Heroes for Hire issue 13. The controversy centered on what critics viewed as the proposed sexual violence against the characters of Black Cat, Colleen Wing and Misty Knight. Marvel's official response to the outcry was to support the comic's creative team on the matter
But it's mostly the women who complain about how women are drawn, but outrageous depictions of men go unscathed. Go figure.
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Old February 5 2009, 02:22 PM   #17
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Re: So after watching Smallville's "Power"...

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So after watching Smallville's "Power"...

Is Lana Lang now the "Power Girl" (ala Karen Starr) of the Smallville Continuity?

My first inclination was to say NO, they're not doing that, but the title of the episode keeps bringing me back to this conclusion.


Thoughts?

The episode overall I didn't hate, but I'm sick of the Lana will they won't they, established way back when. Once Lois came into the picture, I just wanted Clark to grow a pair and let go.
I actually think they based this storyline on the Prometheus storyline from the Blue Beetle and Teen Titans comics of the 80s.

See Prometheus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_(DC_Comics)
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Old February 5 2009, 04:09 PM   #18
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But it's mostly the women who complain about how women are drawn, but outrageous depictions of men go unscathed. Go figure.
That's because all violence towards men, especially sexual violence is fine. As is portraying them as sexual objects. It's true.

If you don't believe me, watch this very episode of Smallville and the orgasmic look on Tess Mercer's face as she beat a man to death.

Combine that with her less than subtle comments about men in previous episodes, too.
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Old February 5 2009, 05:21 PM   #19
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Re: So after watching Smallville's "Power"...

Although previously unfamiliar with her, I actually have come to quite like the character of Power Girl, partly because she's become aware of her physical effect on others. Isn't the tongue-in-cheek given origin of her cleavage window that she wanted to think up her own attention-drawing symbol differing from the 'S' shield, so that part of her costume was left open; then, she realized enemies would get distracted by her boobs and she didn't really need a symbol after all?

(That said, I hope they don't fit Lana into that role. Why is she back on Smallville anyway, really?)

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But it's mostly the women who complain about how women are drawn, but outrageous depictions of men go unscathed. Go figure.
That's because all violence towards men, especially sexual violence is fine. As is portraying them as sexual objects. It's true.

If you don't believe me, watch this very episode of Smallville and the orgasmic look on Tess Mercer's face as she beat a man to death.

Combine that with her less than subtle comments about men in previous episodes, too.
Agreed entirely. It's a definite double standard. Perhaps knee-jerk subconscious (or not so subconscious) reaction to centuries of perceived and actual oppression by men?

And I'd add to the notion of men not minding being objectified that no man I've ever met has minded bragging about or exaggerating or allowing the size of his package to be exaggerated by others, myself included.
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Old February 5 2009, 08:45 PM   #20
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Re: So after watching Smallville's "Power"...

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Although previously unfamiliar with her, I actually have come to quite like the character of Power Girl, partly because she's become aware of her physical effect on others. Isn't the tongue-in-cheek given origin of her cleavage window that she wanted to think up her own attention-drawing symbol differing from the 'S' shield, so that part of her costume was left open; then, she realized enemies would get distracted by her boobs and she didn't really need a symbol after all?

(That said, I hope they don't fit Lana into that role. Why is she back on Smallville anyway, really?)

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But it's mostly the women who complain about how women are drawn, but outrageous depictions of men go unscathed. Go figure.
That's because all violence towards men, especially sexual violence is fine. As is portraying them as sexual objects. It's true.

If you don't believe me, watch this very episode of Smallville and the orgasmic look on Tess Mercer's face as she beat a man to death.

Combine that with her less than subtle comments about men in previous episodes, too.
Agreed entirely. It's a definite double standard. Perhaps knee-jerk subconscious (or not so subconscious) reaction to centuries of perceived and actual oppression by men?

And I'd add to the notion of men not minding being objectified that no man I've ever met has minded bragging about or exaggerating or allowing the size of his package to be exaggerated by others, myself included.
The only time the double standard really bugs me is with men's relative intelligence, particularly on sitcoms. I often wonder why the Jill Taylors and Deborah Romanos even married these guys, except maybe to have someone they could always feel superior to, which stank when guys did it, and stinks no less as payback. Even worse, it all gives a wrong image of these slackers. In RL, a guy who would do all those stupid thoughtless things is not an otherwise lovable lug--odds are he's a bank-account draining abuser. A glare and folded arms won't do much, then.

Again, though, brain-dead and overly-self-loving morons are who KS/PG is likely to fight, so her attributes are put to well-targeted use. I just thank God that they never had her hook up with her now-non-Cousin Kal, between COIE and IC. I wonder if they ever showed her showing up on Earth Post-Crisis, and then being disabused of her 'false' Krypton origin. Also, I can't imagine younger Kal quite holding her back the way Kal-L might have initially, so her 'tude might have needed some explanation.

Smallville is proving to be the great equalizer : any character of any gender can be weakened to the point of fan aggravation.
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Old February 5 2009, 09:12 PM   #21
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Re: So after watching Smallville's "Power"...

Well said.

Slightly OT, have you seen who has popped up in JSA a bit back and had something of an emotional effect on Power Girl?
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Old February 7 2009, 08:10 AM   #22
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Re: So after watching Smallville's "Power"...

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But it's mostly the women who complain about how women are drawn, but outrageous depictions of men go unscathed. Go figure.
That's because all violence towards men, especially sexual violence is fine. As is portraying them as sexual objects. It's true.

If you don't believe me, watch this very episode of Smallville and the orgasmic look on Tess Mercer's face as she beat a man to death.

Combine that with her less than subtle comments about men in previous episodes, too.
Oh, I know it's true. I just wanted to point out the double standard.

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Well said.

Slightly OT, have you seen who has popped up in JSA a bit back and had something of an emotional effect on Power Girl?
I thought Kingdom Come Superman was killed by Gog?

Completely OT, what's with that stupid ad to the right: 1 Flat Stomach Rule: (obey)? It's everywhere I surf. How does such rampant false advertising continue to exist, unchecked? Enough with the dangerous snake oil reminiscent weight loss pills!
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Old February 7 2009, 05:57 PM   #23
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Well said.

Slightly OT, have you seen who has popped up in JSA a bit back and had something of an emotional effect on Power Girl?
I thought Kingdom Come Superman was killed by Gog?
Well... not quite.


Completely OT, what's with that stupid ad to the right: 1 Flat Stomach Rule: (obey)? It's everywhere I surf. How does such rampant false advertising continue to exist, unchecked? Enough with the dangerous snake oil reminiscent weight loss pills!
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
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Old February 7 2009, 07:09 PM   #24
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Probably some of the ads are triggered by keywords on the page, I see that a lot lately. We've mentioned Nightwing's abs several times.

I'm just surprised there isn't a Wonderbra ad there.
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Old February 8 2009, 04:28 PM   #25
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I haven't read Kingdom Come, yet.

As for those ads, they lead to some nonsense about colon cleansing. If you've never seen a colon cleansing website, be forewarned. It's horrendously disgusting. But I suspect that's just part of the scheme.

Any colon cleansers out there want to shed some light?
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Old February 8 2009, 11:40 PM   #26
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I'm glad I used spoiler code. Go buy 'Kingdom Come.'

Now.

You'll be so excited you'll crap your pants and not need any colon cleansing. (And yes, those sites are gross).
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Old February 9 2009, 01:40 AM   #27
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For the most part (despite some stilted performances) the audio dramatization of Kingdom Come is pretty compelling listening as well.
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Old February 9 2009, 02:15 AM   #28
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Really?? Anyone good in it?
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I'm glad I used spoiler code. Go buy 'Kingdom Come.'

Now.

You'll be so excited you'll crap your pants and not need any colon cleansing. (And yes, those sites are gross).
It's on the list along with Watchmen and Tower of Babel.
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Pick up 'DC: New Frontier' while you're at it too. Your colon will thank you.
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