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Old January 31 2009, 08:32 PM   #1
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Constellation class

I've tried to fix this up. What have I gotten wrong?


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Old January 31 2009, 11:23 PM   #2
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Re: Constellation class

LOOKS good to me,but I am preety sure SOMEbody here will say otherwise. Oh is it just me or does the Stargazer look a wee bit SCRUNCHED up? I mean the top of the suaser section looks SWOLLEN! Almost like a borg cube sukerpunched it.
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Old February 1 2009, 12:47 AM   #3
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The mass figure looks pretty light to me. Volumetrically, that ship isn't too different from Voyager.
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Old February 1 2009, 05:01 AM   #4
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Not bad, a few things though.

1) I'm pretty sure the torpedo launchers should be at the extremes of the nacelle struts (where you have the orange strip on the upper one). The ones on the model don't precisely match those found on the refit Enterprise, but there do seem to be tube openings there.

2) The impulse engines shouldn't cross through the centerline, and should run vertically in the two 'blocks' to either side of the rear section. Also, according to an article written for the Star Trek: Magazine a few years back, the antimatter pods should be stored basically where you show the impulse engine now, because they can be ejected out the back. (That article also had a cross section from forward. It can be found on Ex Astris here, down the page a bit.)

3) I blinked at the launch date of 2291. It seems a little early for a ship with a registry of NCC-9754. Maybe more like 2305?

Other than that, very nice.
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Old February 1 2009, 10:17 AM   #5
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Thanks, Praetor. I was guessing at the launch date. I'll make it 2305.

Here's a nice shot of a fliming model:
http://lcars24.com/const-imp.jpg

That seems to show the impulse engines on the center line but forward from where I had them, and the antimatter storage goes a little more aft than the warp core in special compartments that allow quick emergency ejection at the drop of a sombrero. And there seems to be a single warp core, part of which acts as a spare.

Here's the latest update of the image, with probably more left to change.
http://lcars24.com/constel4.png
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Old February 1 2009, 02:18 PM   #6
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An update:

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Old February 1 2009, 06:53 PM   #7
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Better, I'd say. Still not sure about the impulse... I had always thought those were more hatches - there seems to be another one on the little pod at the bottom of the nacelle strut platform, but arguably that could be another impulse engine. For the MSD it may be the best compromise where you have them though. Also not sure about the forward launcher placement, but there are enough greeblies that I guess they could go there. It just seems odd to me on a Constitution-refit style saucer I guess.

But still, very nice
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Old February 2 2009, 09:07 AM   #8
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Granted that most reference photos are fuzzy, but it seems to me that the junctions of the T-shaped engine pylons each hold the standard torpedo tube pair that we can see on the neck of a refitted Constitution or the pod of a Miranda. The assembly sits just below (or, in the lower pylon, above) the horizontal part of the T. The muzzles just aren't painted or lit particularly prominently - much like the impulse assemblies lack the lighting arrangment found in the original Constitution application.

http://www.stargazertwo.com/Images/S...r/valkyrie.jpg

In contrast, there's nothing in the saucer to indicate the presence of torp tubes there. There are just those three paired phaser emitters on each side, plus five single ones on the dorsal side - and supposedly at least one corresponding single emitter just below the bow because a single beam is fired from there in the "Peak Performance" mock fight.

The big square feature at the bow of the ship isn't painted or lit all that clearly, either - allowing us to select between two functions. Yeah, it could be a giant shuttlebay door. But the ship already has two doors per side for such a function. So the square could just as well be a deflector dish. We only see a total of three Constellation class ships in Star Trek, and the first two ("The Battle", "Peak Performance") are wrecks whose deflectors could justifiably be dark, while the bow of the third ("Redemption") is never seen.

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Edit: Whoops, there's also a fourth Constellation briefly glimpsed: the Victory makes a bow-first appearance at the end of "Elementary, Dear Data", without a glowing bow. Then again, we know that TOS movie era deflectors don't glow much unless the ship is underway, while TNG era deflectors always have a very subdued glow...
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Old February 2 2009, 09:50 AM   #9
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Re: Constellation class

Dunno if you've seen these:

The Jein model

The kitbash seen in Picard's office.
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Old February 2 2009, 10:52 AM   #10
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Yeah, that demonstrates pretty well the torpedo thing: the "original" kitbash had its engine pylons made of Constitution neck pieces that had the torpedo decks in their usual places, while the full photographic model was somewhat differently shaped but still retained this feature without accentuating the torpedo muzzles.

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Old February 2 2009, 12:08 PM   #11
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Okay, I moved them like this. That should be reasonable, Picard's model nowithstanding.

Now, what about that auxillary bridge and what I have labeled sensory array in a thing shaped like a Tucker turret on the underside of the saucer?



And here's collection of photos of the filming models.

http://www.starfleetmodeler.com/Star...ss/default.htm
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Old February 2 2009, 12:30 PM   #12
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I might suggest the "auxiliary bridge" is in fact the location of the warp core. For one, it would have an unobstructed vertical path for ejection, unlike in the case of a vertical core in the pylons. And its hatchlike elements could be how the fuel tanks are topped up. The drive plasma would fire up along the leading edge of the pylons, then.

The lance-like protrusion underneath the hull could be a sensor element - but it also shares something with the cylinders we see at the corners of Miranda class roll bars.

So perhaps a supergun, even though we never saw those cylinders act in a gunlike manner on the Mirandas. Or, as I'd prefer, this cylinder could be a miniature form of the front end of Kirk's ship: this could be the main deflector of the Constellation, just like the pods on the Miranda would be its main deflectors.

Also, the big bulges on the underside flanking this "lance" could be the fuel tanks of the ship. That is, instead of the neat multiple "canisters" inside the hull, this ship could have two large volumes basically similar to the tanks of the Galaxy.

Just wild suggestions. The ship appears just fine as it is in that latest MSD.

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Old February 2 2009, 06:42 PM   #13
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Thanks for the link to the ready room kitbash. It'd be pretty easy to miss the torpedo tubes from the refit models which were used to build it, though that's partly because they'd only seem capable of covering the ship's aft arc.
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Old February 2 2009, 11:28 PM   #14
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I might suggest the "auxiliary bridge" is in fact the location of the warp core. For one, it would have an unobstructed vertical path for ejection, unlike in the case of a vertical core in the pylons. And its hatchlike elements could be how the fuel tanks are topped up. The drive plasma would fire up along the leading edge of the pylons, then.
That's a nice idea, but that would also lead to a LOT of power transfer conduits. Still, other ships seem to have a lot of PTC, and perhaps the main part of the core with the dilithium chamber can be ejected after the antimatter pods anyway, leaving behind just PTCs? Alternatively, it could be some type of dedicated astrometrics-type 'observatory.'

The lance-like protrusion underneath the hull could be a sensor element - but it also shares something with the cylinders we see at the corners of Miranda class roll bars.

So perhaps a supergun, even though we never saw those cylinders act in a gunlike manner on the Mirandas. Or, as I'd prefer, this cylinder could be a miniature form of the front end of Kirk's ship: this could be the main deflector of the Constellation, just like the pods on the Miranda would be its main deflectors.
I think Rick Sternbach wrote in his writeup for the Star Trek Magazine that it was a long-range 'sensor gun' more or less like you say it's analagous to the main sensor on the Constitution. The main deflector could still be kept where it is.

Also, the big bulges on the underside flanking this "lance" could be the fuel tanks of the ship. That is, instead of the neat multiple "canisters" inside the hull, this ship could have two large volumes basically similar to the tanks of the Galaxy.
You know, those have always bothered me. I'd say they're either deuterium tanks or the Starfleet ship equivalent of 'radar domes.'

Just wild suggestions. The ship appears just fine as it is in that latest MSD.
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Old February 3 2009, 11:48 AM   #15
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