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Old February 3 2009, 06:24 PM   #31
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Re: Abrams On 'Star Trek' Vs. 'Star Wars'

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The old "Star Trek" will be preserved - on DVDs and probably in some form in comics and novels. It has no commercial future, however, at the level of TV and films.
Somebody seems to disagree, since TNG is returning to syndication. But, I digress.
That's still simply preservation of the past, just like DVDs - no future in film or TV production. Throw "syndication" into my original statement and it's still accurate.

So no, no one "seems to disagree." You're mistaken yet again.
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Old February 3 2009, 09:30 PM   #32
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The old "Star Trek" will be preserved - on DVDs and probably in some form in comics and novels. It has no commercial future, however, at the level of TV and films.
Somebody seems to disagree, since TNG is returning to syndication. But, I digress.
That's still simply preservation of the past, just like DVDs - no future in film or TV production. Throw "syndication" into my original statement and it's still accurate.

So no, no one "seems to disagree." You're mistaken yet again.
Well, I disagree, and since I am a person, I am "someone" and therefore you are by definition mistaken, Polaris.
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Old February 3 2009, 10:22 PM   #33
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And you missed the point of the entire exchange, which wasn't actually a poll concerning whether anyone shared TJinPgh's opinion, but in fact whether there's a future for new episodes of old-guard Trek in the movies or on TV. This is all an unsuccessful attempt to distract from that point without answering it.
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Old February 3 2009, 10:52 PM   #34
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And you missed the point of the entire exchange, which wasn't actually a poll concerning whether anyone shared TJinPgh's opinion, but in fact whether there's a future for new episodes of old-guard Trek in the movies or on TV. This is all an unsuccessful attempt to distract from that point without answering it.
But since this is a discussion about the future viability of a franchise it seems to me that by definition it can only be a matter of opinion, and I assure you that there are plenty who disagree with you.

It's nothing personal, but I think you're wrong. There's plenty of viability for Trek movies and TV in the future - both new spinoffs and reboot-type stuff. It may take a while but there will be plenty of new shows and movies.

Anyway, that's just my opinion.
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Old February 3 2009, 11:34 PM   #35
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There's plenty of viability for Trek movies and TV in the future - both new spinoffs and reboot-type stuff. It may take a while but there will be plenty of new shows and movies.
Well, the "out" there is adding in the "reboot-type stuff." Of course the reboot may be viable - again, you missed the point.

As to the notion that there will be new movies and/or TV shows based on old school Trek...evidence?

Because the last three series and last couple of movies did so well?

Because the people who own it decided to invest 150 million dollars in carrying it forward just the way it is? Oh, wait, they didn't. They decided to sell off every physical remnant of it and turn the Franchise over to some new people to reboot.
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Old February 4 2009, 01:42 AM   #36
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Well, the last three series' averaged out to 6 seasons a series. Considering the average television show doesn't last nearly this long, I would say that they did well.

Insurrection made its budget, plus $12 million, so it was hardly a bomb... just not successful compared to earlier films. Nemesis was a serious misstep financially.

The point is that Trek has been around for 40+ years and to think that one can actually know what's going to be done with it thirty or forty or fifty years in the future is plain ridiculous.

I'm not missing the point, either; right now they are going in a reboot direction, but I fully expect there will be some 24th or 25th century series set in the "classic" universe. I only hope it happens before I die.
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Old February 4 2009, 04:29 AM   #37
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Re: Abrams On 'Star Trek' Vs. 'Star Wars'

Still missing the point.

The show being re-released in new formats and being re-run on
TV is not moving it into the future in any way. It's not new material
it's just being re-shown.

That was the point until it went off course.
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Old February 4 2009, 05:22 AM   #38
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Still missing the point.

The show being re-released in new formats and being re-run on
TV is not moving it into the future in any way. It's not new material
it's just being re-shown.

That was the point until it went off course.
Exactly so.

Why is that difficult to follow?
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Old February 4 2009, 05:52 AM   #39
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So when Abrams mentions that he's trying to make Star Trek different from 'Star Wars' by not trying to beat it at it's own game - mainly effects - and is instead focusing on the characters in order to keep it distinct, that somehow translates into him turning Trek into Star Wars.

He's making the movie a big effects fest, but he's not going to make it all about the effects because Star Wars essentially owns that, in his view.

What is the problem here? He's saying exactly what he should be saying.
That's how I've read it the whole time. I don't understand how people are reading it differently.

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Old February 4 2009, 05:57 AM   #40
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Re: Abrams On 'Star Trek' Vs. 'Star Wars'

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So when Abrams mentions that he's trying to make Star Trek different from 'Star Wars' by not trying to beat it at it's own game - mainly effects - and is instead focusing on the characters in order to keep it distinct, that somehow translates into him turning Trek into Star Wars.

He's making the movie a big effects fest, but he's not going to make it all about the effects because Star Wars essentially owns that, in his view.

What is the problem here? He's saying exactly what he should be saying.
That's how I've read it the whole time. I don't understand how people are reading it differently.

J.
I do. They're cherry picking phrases and perverting them to "prove" their opinion that the movie will suck because it isn't a carbon copy of TOS.

That's the only thing I can think of.
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.........Star Wars is the single most successful franchise of all time. Star Wars rules film, television, comics, novels, toys etc and pulls in billions year after year after year. There isn't a franchise on the planet that couldn't stand to learn a lesson from Star Wars.
Except for the 2nd movie (the original 2nd movie, by the way) all of the Star Wars movies sucked IMO. I didn't like the first one, and almost missed that 2nd one becuase the 1st was so incredibly inane. I just don't get what people see in those stupid movies. But, they are money makers that's for sure.
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Old February 4 2009, 04:50 PM   #43
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Re: Abrams On 'Star Trek' Vs. 'Star Wars'

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ancient wrote: View Post
So when Abrams mentions that he's trying to make Star Trek different from 'Star Wars' by not trying to beat it at it's own game - mainly effects - and is instead focusing on the characters in order to keep it distinct, that somehow translates into him turning Trek into Star Wars.

He's making the movie a big effects fest, but he's not going to make it all about the effects because Star Wars essentially owns that, in his view.

What is the problem here? He's saying exactly what he should be saying.
That's how I've read it the whole time. I don't understand how people are reading it differently.

J.

Beats me. There are people convinced that the Abrams folks are contradicting themselves in some substantial way with various statements, and I don't get that. The direction these people are taking the movie has been obvious to me from things they started saying very early on; the only revelation that's surprised me in a big way is that they kept the uniform design so close to TOS. Based on their remarks I didn't expect that.
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Old February 6 2009, 11:23 AM   #44
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Re: Abrams On 'Star Trek' Vs. 'Star Wars'

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So when Abrams mentions that he's trying to make Star Trek different from 'Star Wars' by not trying to beat it at it's own game - mainly effects - and is instead focusing on the characters in order to keep it distinct, that somehow translates into him turning Trek into Star Wars.

He's making the movie a big effects fest, but he's not going to make it all about the effects because Star Wars essentially owns that, in his view.

What is the problem here? He's saying exactly what he should be saying.
That's how I've read it the whole time. I don't understand how people are reading it differently.

J.

Beats me. There are people convinced that the Abrams folks are contradicting themselves in some substantial way with various statements, and I don't get that. The direction these people are taking the movie has been obvious to me from things they started saying very early on; the only revelation that's surprised me in a big way is that they kept the uniform design so close to TOS. Based on their remarks I didn't expect that.
Exactly. I've read all of these articles, and he's remained quite consistent.

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