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Old January 29 2009, 06:18 AM   #61
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Re: Lost 5x03: "Jughead"

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Random Remembrance: what the hell happened with Harper, the Other psychologist married to Goodwin who hated Juliet? She was supposed to be a major new character on the same level as Dan/Charlotte/Miles/Frank, yet she only appeared once and was never heard of again. Was this because of the strike-shortened season? Or was she never supposed to be important?

That actress play Dennis Leary's wife on Rescue Me, and I love her to death. Here's hoping we see her again.

Did anyone else notice the artwork in Widmore's office? The painting closest to him on his right side very clearly said 'NAMASTE'. That can't have been a coincidence. I love this show for stuff like that!

Edit to add - Sorry, just realized we've seen the painting before. I may not be observant the first time around, but I catch stuff eventually!
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Old January 29 2009, 08:54 AM   #62
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A few other things I noticed as I rewatched this episode.

Young Widmore referred to the young woman as "Ellie". That pretty much confirms she is indeed Mrs Hawkins. I don't think it was ever stated onscreen but as I rewatched ep 5.2 tonite the note at the bottom of the screen gave her first name as Eloise. Also another fact to support this is Mrs Hawkins is Dan's mom is Eloise was the name of the mouse he moved through time and released in the maze in the flasback in "The Constant". He named it after his mom. I don't know if I would be flattered or insulted Also the young actress portraying her did a pretty good job with some of Flanagan's facial expressions--the harsh face and clenched jaw.

Also Dan looks to be in his 40s so that would put his conception/birth in the 60s. Assuming the island isn't conducive to a pleasant successful birth like it currently is, I guess she left sometime in the next ten years. I wonder if Dan's father is going to be significant also. Only person right now I can think of is Widmore.

Also in "Flashes Before Your Eyes"-- she told it was Desmond's destiny to go to the island. I'm curious about that.

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Old January 29 2009, 11:12 AM   #63
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It was okay. I really hope the writers end the Losties jumping through time on the island every episode by the middle of the season. It's getting hard keeping track of everything.

Oh yeah.

Please don't kill Penny.
Please don't kill Penny.
Please don't kill Penny.
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Old January 29 2009, 11:54 AM   #64
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Mrs Hawkins
Sorry to be anal about this, but I've seen this wrong other places too, so I might as well point it out here:

It's "Hawking" not "Hawkins". Hawking, like Stephen Hawking.
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Old January 29 2009, 12:58 PM   #65
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Re: Lost 5x03: "Jughead"

Another thing I just realized: The time traveling took them back to 1954.....which is an even 50 years before 2004, the year that Flight 815 crashed. Don't know if that means anything or not.

Also, with regard to the nuke testing, Lostpedia says that the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima detonated at 8:15am:
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Old January 29 2009, 01:18 PM   #66
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What I want to know is....why did two of the people in Oxford sound like they were from the east-end of London? Cor bloimey, Meery Pippins!

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Old January 29 2009, 02:54 PM   #67
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Excellent episode, and the Charles Widmore twist at the end was well done.
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Old January 29 2009, 04:01 PM   #68
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Re: Lost 5x03: "Jughead"

Well I stuck around for another episode this week and it was a little easier to wrap my feeble brain around it this time. The time travel aspect was a litle more "Star Trekish" (for lack of a better term) and I could kind of keep up with what's going on. Although I missed that the gal who was guarding Dan was possibly/probably his mother.

As much as I bitch about the writers, I'll also give them a kudos on not dicking around in explaining who the people in the uniforms were from last week.
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Old January 29 2009, 06:35 PM   #69
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Aside from the scenes between Locke, Richard, and Widmore, this episode was very confusing. I was expecting a lot better due to all the 9.5 and 10 reviews I saw, but I was still very impressed with the last 15 minutes
and am giving it an above average.
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Old January 29 2009, 06:49 PM   #70
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Was this the first episode of the entire series not to have Jack in it?
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Old January 29 2009, 07:46 PM   #71
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Jack's missed a few. This is actually the second Desmond episode he hasn't been in, after Flashes Before Your Eyes. He also didn't appear in The Other 48 Days, Meeting Kevin Johnson, Tricia Tanaka Is Dead, and Enter 77. He had a little bit of a dry spell there for a while in season 3.
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Old January 29 2009, 10:36 PM   #72
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Just some new thinking points, random thoughts, etc...

-What is the hierarchy of the Others?

We can assume it goes Jacob=>Current leader (For example: Ben, Locke). But where does Richard fit into this Hierarchy? It looks like he is the leader back in 1954, but is he? An if he is, why isn't he the leader later on?

-How did the US military get on and off the Island without apparent problems?

To find, report back, transport a nuke and build a test site the military would have to keep going on and off the island. How could they do that? Did the "barrier" around the island not exist back in the 1950's? Is it something new that the Others created after this military incursion? Is there a military fleet off the cost of the island in the 1950's (They would never transport a nuke back then without major military security)? What does the US military know currently (in 2004) about the Island?

-How much power/influence do the Others have off the Island?

We know Richard was back on the mainland as early as 1956 (to witness John's birth). A few years later he tells John's mom he runs a school for special kids. We also know they run a somewhat known major company (Mitland biotech). They have agents in lots of places and send agents on missions off the island. Why do they do all of this? What is their agenda beyond protecting the island? How many Others are there on and off the island? There must be a whole lot of them if they can be doing all of this.

-How did Widmore "lose" the island?

He refers to the Island as his. Does that mean that he was the leader of the Others at some point in the past? Why/how/when did he get to be off the Island? Was he off the Island at some point and then the island was moved while he was away? Did he move the island like Ben did some time in the past and that is why he left? I can see a scenario where he, as the leader, had to move the island and gave power to Ben before doing it, just like Ben gave power to John before doing the same thing. He must have been banished thou, because otherwise why wouldn't the Others just bring him back to the Island's new location?

-Where does Alva Hanso fit into all of this?

Remember him? The Hanso Foundation was a big deal early on in the series. Where do they fit into all of this. How did he find the Island and start the Dharma Initiative? Did Widmore help him do this by telling him tales of the Island?

Those are just a few things I've been thinking about this morning.
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Old January 29 2009, 11:08 PM   #73
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Please don't kill Penny.
Please don't kill Penny.
Yeah, that'd be depressing.

Of course, killing Jin was depressing.

It's one of the reasons I'm pretty sure he's alive.
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Old January 29 2009, 11:52 PM   #74
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^ Ever since her character was killed off on the Sarah Connor chronicles, I've just been waiting for Penny to kick the bucket too.
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Old January 30 2009, 12:05 AM   #75
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^ You know, I was thinking exactly the same thing while I was watching. "Please don't let Penny die, like she did on Sarah Conner."
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