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Old January 24 2009, 01:22 AM   #76
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Re: First Clear Picture of the Narada *Warning: Spoilers*

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This joker, who didn't even know there'd been ten Trek movies made already (my God, that sounds incompetent or idiotic, please, someone debunk this), has picked up the torch and instituted some of the most abysmal design changes imaginable. Really, the sets and costumes and props and ships are freaking laughable -- no wonder people keep comparing them to a space comedy!
M'thinks you hit a nerve ...

I suppose I did. Do you think I should have expressed myself more gently -- someone should alert the moderators to check if I've overstepped any boundaries.

The really weird thing is ... up until November, I was solidly in their court. I was excited about this film. In fact, not only did I expect redesigns on classic Trek looks, but I was a little disappointed when the first images of the crew in old-style uniforms showed up, so it'd take some mental gymnastics to justify putting me into the "hates change" category. But I don't like any of the changes I'm seeing so far ... they're silly. I think the Galaxy Quest comparisons are spot-on if not in form, then certainly in mindset.

With the wonderful things said about the script by Nimoy and the glowing praise by people who've seen more than the rest of us, I'm still holding out hope, but it's a much more guarded optimism.
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Old January 24 2009, 02:11 AM   #77
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This joker, who didn't even know there'd been ten Trek movies made already (my God, that sounds incompetent or idiotic, please, someone debunk this), has picked up the torch and instituted some of the most abysmal design changes imaginable. Really, the sets and costumes and props and ships are freaking laughable -- no wonder people keep comparing them to a space comedy!
M'thinks you hit a nerve ...

I suppose I did. Do you think I should have expressed myself more gently -- someone should alert the moderators to check if I've overstepped any boundaries.
Naah, I think we're cool.
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Old January 24 2009, 02:51 AM   #78
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I tend not to judge a film based on the toys I walk past at Target.
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Old January 24 2009, 04:13 AM   #79
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Re: First Clear Picture of the Narada *Warning: Spoilers*

I won't say it doesn't look good because it doesn't reflect TOS because honestly, that DOESN'T bother me.

It does bother me because it looks goofy.
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Old January 24 2009, 04:33 AM   #80
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It has to look goofy because you are comparing it to something. If you never saw TOS props you might think these are the coolest things ever.
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Old January 24 2009, 04:35 AM   #81
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so that's what happens to tribbles when you let them grow. kind of like a hairy version of moya. they become living ships!
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Old January 24 2009, 11:15 AM   #82
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Looks like we have not seen the first picture of the toy Narada yet...

http://trekmovie.com/2009/01/23/deta...ek-movie-toys/

Wizard also had an image of the Narada (which is coming in Wave 2), but the image put out was just a concept and TrekMovie is told the toy has yet to be designed and finalized.
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Old January 24 2009, 11:51 AM   #83
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Isn't that what a Malon export vessel looks like after dumping its load?

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Old January 24 2009, 01:18 PM   #84
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Loved the Narada from the brief glimpses in the trailer, I don't think a static toy/model can really do it justice.
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Old January 24 2009, 03:29 PM   #85
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What difference does it make if it does look like something out of Galaxy Quest? I always thought that film had good Trek style visuals anyway. Besides Abrams has gone on record to say he is NOT making Galaxy Quest and I believe him.
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Old January 24 2009, 07:25 PM   #86
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That sounds like it harms the franchise. If any producers have gone to Paramount with an interest in making a new Trek series, a failed Trek XI will shut down any chance they have. That's harm to the franchise.
Pitches for a new ST film would be made to Paramount.

Pitches for a new ST series would be made to CBS TV.
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Old January 24 2009, 07:41 PM   #87
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Paramount was willing to risk a lot of money on this movie just because a big-name producer was willing to do it. If this movie flops, the chance of another Trek movie getting the go ahead in the next ten years drops dramatically. That sounds like it harms the franchise. If any producers have gone to Paramount with an interest in making a new Trek series, a failed Trek XI will shut down any chance they have. That's harm to the franchise.
You're assuming a lot that, given the current landscape, is so hypothetical as to be meaningless.

"The chance of another Trek movie..."
"If any producers have gone to Paramount..." (this one presumes willing, even eager folk at Paramount who'd give any Trek TV pitch the time of day)


Look, the Franchise is dead right now in terms of TV and film production. You're right that Paramount was "willing to risk a lot of money" on this film because they were able to get people who they think will make a successful and profitable film.

If those people can't make Trek profitable for the studio, it's a given that there won't be any more Trek production soon.

So, if this movie bombs "Star Trek" is exactly where it was before - dead in the water - and this movie becomes just the latest in a long trail of evidence that "Star Trek" is no longer worth investing money in for Paramount.

So no, this movie doesn't harm "Star Trek" no matter what - because no one was interested in making more "Star Trek" before (sorry, but the "Tiberius Chase" nonsense was just that - some producers who were on their way off the lot trying to interest the studio in something that no one at the studio was going to get interested in).

You can hypothesize all you want about how someone else might have created that perfect "Star Trek" movie that you both like and that makes the studio a pile of money, but it's just fantasizing.

Like Picard said to Data in "The Neutral Zone:" "They were already dead. What more could have happened to them?"

On TV and in the movies, "Star Trek" was dead before Abrams. If it's dead again afterward, no harm has been done. The risk here is a financial one, to Paramount and its partners, for possibly throwing good money after bad by trying to resurrect something that's passe. No risk to "Star Trek" at all.

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Old January 24 2009, 09:43 PM   #88
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I tend not to judge a film based on the toys I walk past at Target.
True. If I did that a few years ago, I would have thought BATTLEFIELD EARTH was going to be the coolest movie in years.
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I won't say it doesn't look good because it doesn't reflect TOS because honestly, that DOESN'T bother me.

It does bother me because it looks goofy.
Well, maybe so...but remember it's not a warship or some other official ship-of-the-line in the Romulan civilian or military fleets. It's a massive temporal ship designed for intimidation, attack and travel through time. Which means it might be just one of a kind and thus its weird-ass aesthetics might be easy to ignore.
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Old January 24 2009, 10:49 PM   #90
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It's also not an image of the final version of the toy, as it turns out.

http://trekmovie.com/2009/01/23/deta...ek-movie-toys/

Regarding those Wizard images
On Thursday Wizard Universe put up images and pre-order links for the Playmates Toy Line. Some images were the same as those seen here and in USA Today and some appeared different. Playmates tells TrekMovie that the images provided to us and USA Today are the latest and best and that many of the images at Wizard were earlier prototypes. Wizard has since removed all of their photos. So use the above pictures as your guide. Wizard also had an image of the Narada (which is coming in Wave 2), but the image put out was just a concept and TrekMovie is told the toy has yet to be designed and finalized.
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