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Old March 4 2009, 06:49 AM   #61
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Re: Intrepid class VS a galaxy class, which was more powerful and adva

Depends on the writers. *rimshot!*
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Old March 4 2009, 08:48 AM   #62
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assumeing we have the intrepid VS. Galaxy battle...who would win the battle if it was Picard in the Ent-d VS Janeway in the Voyager?
Based on the last episode of each series; Voyager of course.

Picard: "Shields Up!" Janeway: "Deploy armor!"
Picard: "Ready photon torpedos!" Janeway: "Arm transphasic torpedos!"
Picard/Janeway: "FIRE!"

Enterprise-D goes BOOM
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Old March 5 2009, 07:47 AM   #63
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Re: Intrepid class VS a galaxy class, which was more powerful and adva

I like to think that the Intrepid is a smaller technological development evolved from the Galaxy. It's smaller and even though the tech is likely a bit more advanced, I'd have to give it to the Galaxy, end episode aside - unless it's the three-nacelle D.
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Old March 15 2009, 08:29 PM   #64
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Re: Intrepid class VS a galaxy class, which was more powerful and adva

I don't know which one was more powerful or advanced, but I definitely prefer the design of Voyager than that of the Enterprise-D. Like...if I was offered one or the other, Voyager would win every time. I've always thought the D was kind of...gaudy, while Voyager is sleek and classy. Voyager isn't my favorite ship, but between those two, I'd pick Voyager every time.
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Old March 25 2009, 04:40 PM   #65
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While we never saw direct on-screen evidence ... indeed, the designers of Voyager stated that it's essentially a downsized Galaxy class with same shields and weapons in terms of power outputs.
The only major difference between the two would be the obvious: size (along with amount of crews and torpeodes/materials both can carry in stock ... not to mention a temporary superiority in computers going to the Intrepid because it came designed with bio-neural circuitry ... and it's definitely possible the Galaxies received them in one of their re-fits later on).

It makes sense that SF would be able to make downsized versions of larger ships with same capabilities (whereas smaller ships would be limited in terms of how much torpedoes/materials they can have in stock).
They are easier/faster to produce, and they'd likely have very limited supply of civilians/families on board (if any at all) when it comes to deep-space exploratory missions.

If SF for example wants to reduce the amount of spent resources when it comes to making new ships ... instead of making 2 Galaxy class ships ... why not make 1 Galaxy class and 2 Intrepid class ships?
You get 3 ships instead of two, and granted you are limited in the amount of civilians/families you can stuff on the smaller ships ... still, it's a better arrangement because you'd have new ships out in the field much faster, while getting the same job done.
Three problems with that.
1) Being a bigger ship, the Galaxy is going to be able to mount larger arrays.
2) The larger Galaxy is going to have much more extensive power reservers for phasers.
3) Phasers aside, the Galaxy has more than six times the number of photon torpedoes carried.
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Old March 26 2009, 07:04 AM   #66
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The Intrepid Class starship would lose.

Having the same type of Phasers equipped does not mean equal power.
The Galaxy class has almost 2000 emitters in its main Dorsal array.
The power of the phaser blast is determined by the amount of emitters used in each blast.

So there is no way that the Intrepid could hope to match a Galaxy class starships phaser output.

The Galaxy class starship is also capable of matching the Intrepid class vessels reactor efficiency.

The Intrepid class vessel does not fire Quantum Torpedoes.
It fires Photons and Tricobalt Devices.

In addition the Galaxy class has a 10 torpedo per tube capacity.
And it is very likely that the Galaxy has been upgraded to the new Bio-Neural systems by now.
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Disregarding all the modifications made to the Voyager, head-to-head it would lose against a Galaxy class starship. In addition to what Verkruk stated, the Galaxy class has a more powerful warp core which also adds to its phaser power. It all comes down to penetrating shields... Voyager couldn't hold out long enough.
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Old March 27 2009, 04:27 AM   #67
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I would have thought that Voyager would put up a valiant fight as it is a newer piece of technology whereas I believe the Galaxy class were implemented into the fleet 10 years before (according to the star trek timeline). I do believe that it would be a very close fight!
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Old March 27 2009, 09:22 PM   #68
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The Intrepid Class starship would lose.

Having the same type of Phasers equipped does not mean equal power.
The Galaxy class has almost 2000 emitters in its main Dorsal array.
The power of the phaser blast is determined by the amount of emitters used in each blast.

So there is no way that the Intrepid could hope to match a Galaxy class starships phaser output.

The Galaxy class starship is also capable of matching the Intrepid class vessels reactor efficiency.

The Intrepid class vessel does not fire Quantum Torpedoes.
It fires Photons and Tricobalt Devices.

In addition the Galaxy class has a 10 torpedo per tube capacity.
And it is very likely that the Galaxy has been upgraded to the new Bio-Neural systems by now.
QFT

Disregarding all the modifications made to the Voyager, head-to-head it would lose against a Galaxy class starship. In addition to what Verkruk stated, the Galaxy class has a more powerful warp core which also adds to its phaser power. It all comes down to penetrating shields... Voyager couldn't hold out long enough.
I disagree with the notion that a smaller sized ship is incapable of matching a fire output of a larger one.
The Defiant for example operates on a principle of being a stripped ship in terms of luxuries, yet seems to match or outperform large vessels easily.

Why is a same thing not applicable to the Intrepid?
As established on screen, it has far less luxuries compared to the Galaxy class and crew compliment which would probably allow for equally powerful weapons and power output compared to larger ships.

As it was established previously, in Trek size doesn't always matter.
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Old March 28 2009, 06:23 AM   #69
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What warships does the federation have? The most powerful ship I've seen was the Promethius but that was for deep space missions, not really a warship.

The Defiant...
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Old March 28 2009, 06:52 AM   #70
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Re: Intrepid class VS a galaxy class, which was more powerful and adva

Its kind of like comparing a Cadilac to a Hummer. They both look good for different reasons and serve different purposes. The Intrepid was for science and research and I think it did better with spotting spacial anomalies, singularities, and other time dilution type disturbances due to having a better equipped astrometrics lab. The Intrepid was not a warship like the Enterprise; Galaxy, Sovereign, or ugly Defiant - Excelsior or Constellation class ships for all that goes. The Voyager was unique in its purpose and cooler to be seen in. Big Frisbees are not all the unique and too UFO typical. just blow off one of the nacelles and you won.
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I disagree with the notion that a smaller sized ship is incapable of matching a fire output of a larger one.

Look at Jem Hadar attack fighters!!!
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Old March 28 2009, 12:10 PM   #72
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The gel packs are artificual nueral fibers that simulate how a brain functions, allowing quicker response time.
Or then not, as this wasn't told to us in any episode.
From "Caretaker": "Some of the traditional circuitry has been replaced by gel packs that contain bio-neural cells. They organise information more efficiently, speed up response time"
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Old March 28 2009, 07:03 PM   #73
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What warships does the federation have? The most powerful ship I've seen was the Prometheus but that was for deep space missions, not really a warship.
How does one argue that the Prometheus isn't 'really a warship' when it's specifically equipped with 'multi-vector assault mode?

I know, you might argue that other Federation starships are well-armed despite ostensibly being 'ships of peace' (that being a wholly separate debate unto itself) but 'assault mode' is a rather strong term for a ship of peace, IMO. I personally classify the Prometheus class as a 'long range tactical cruiser.'

Even the Vulcans of ENT had 'tactical cruisers.'

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The gel packs are artificual nueral fibers that simulate how a brain functions, allowing quicker response time.
Or then not, as this wasn't told to us in any episode.
From "Caretaker": "Some of the traditional circuitry has been replaced by gel packs that contain bio-neural cells. They organise information more efficiently, speed up response time"
Pretty explicit, and a bit of rather awkward exposition, IMO. Why exactly did they feel they needed to spell that tidbit out so clearly to the viewer in the pilot? I remember thinking that was going to tie in somehow with the organic nature of the Caretaker's physiology and his 'experiments' yet it didn't.

For that matter, why was Stadi just rattling off statistics for Paris in the first place? Pilot to pilot bonding?

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I disagree with the notion that a smaller sized ship is incapable of matching a fire output of a larger one.
Look at Jem Hadar attack fighters!!!
*looks*

Okay. And?

I see no evidence that a Jem'Hadar attack fighter produces an output to match a larger vessel.

Dominion technology is established as having particular disruptive effects on Federation technology due to their anti-polaron based weapons. That doesn't mean a single Jem'Hadar bug has a greater energy or weapons output than, for example, a Galaxy class starship.

The one canon example I can think of where a ship is explicitly stated as producing a larger power output than its size warrants is the Defiant, and in that case it was stated to cause the ship to nearly tear itself apart at full power and plagued its early systems tests and service career.

I'd say that's a pretty good basis for arguing that most Starfleet ships at least are designed to produce an amount of power roughly proportionally equivalent to their size.
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Old March 28 2009, 08:51 PM   #74
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i guess this thread picked up interest lol....


I'd have to agree with the notion that smaller isn't always weaker, after reading some of the responses here.

Yes a galaxy class has way more reserves in general and therefore has better longevity...for now.

But an Intrepid class has systems that are an evolutionary step FROM the galaxy class. It's specific intention was to create a more or less equal ship to the galaxy in an easier to build, more efficient, and quicker package.

Just because it's smaller doesn't mean it's warp core is less powerful (defiant class, four decks. Prometheus class, 15 decks. Constitution class {in its day} was 21 decks or so, and minus the neck about the same size if not smaller), and just because it's smaller doesn't mean it's less capable.

Real life example: Compare the laptops of today, then compare them with the computers of the 60's. Laptops are literally lap tops, with the computing capability computers that took up an ENTIRE room in the 60's only wished for. More on the lines of Voyager from TNG: Intrepid's were launched about 8 years or so from the initial batches of galaxy class starships. Now we have I-Pods that are less than half the size of my hand, and mini SD-cards for digital camera's and phones. 8 years ago we didn't have that.

My point is technology can just fly with advancement, and just because something is smaller doesn't make it less capable. In fact, looking at the history of the past 60 years, I'd venture to say that smaller technology is almost always better....

So all in all, the interpid class might be smaller, but could very well have been designed to compete with larger ship class'. It makes sense if Starfleet doesn't want to build large ships, thus putting "all their eggs in one basket". Plus larger ships take forever to build. A galaxy, 4-6 years or so normal time. An Intrepid, with more or less equal capability, half that time.

which makes more sense?
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But kent, almost all of that presumes that both the Galaxy and the Intrepid were designed to do the all the same things, and would therefore have all the same capabilities. Even though the Intrepid seems to exhibit technological advances in some areas doesn't mean that the 'new' direction of Starfleet's 24th century design is, as many have suggested, 'leaner and meaner.' To me, in-universe, it all has to do with the missions in mind when the ship is designed.

I'd argue that the Intrepid was designed to do some of the same things that the Galaxy was, but even that for not nearly as far a range or as long a duration. Clearly, most Starfleet ships are designed for exploration - it's specific mission roles that seem to refine the capabilities that each design is equipped with. For example, I'm not sure how good a show of force an Intrepid class ship would present if sent to the Klingon border. A Galaxy on the other hand? I think that might be a good day to die for some Klingons.

The original concepts for TNG indicated that the Enterprise-D would be venturing deep into unknown space - hence why it was so big and why it carried families aboard. (You can detect hints of this in talk in the first two seasons.) The fact that the series somewhat cut short this premise doesn't mean that the Galaxy was incapable of doing so. Indeed, if a Galaxy class ship had been stranded in the Delta Quadrant I suspect, I imagine it might have had a much easier time.
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