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Old January 22 2009, 02:57 PM   #16
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Re: Intrepid class VS a galaxy class, which was more powerful and adva

During DS9 you never did see an Intrepid class in the battle.
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Old January 22 2009, 03:00 PM   #17
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...They moved too fast to be seen.

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Old January 22 2009, 03:44 PM   #18
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Seven of Nine insituted many upgrades to voyager using her Borginess and that crappy catsuit which amde her body look much better than it really was.
Okay, two things.

1. How does a catsuit make a body look better? Any tight fitting material will only make an appealing body more apparent.

2.What does that have to do with anything?

I just read another thread where you bash the character and her catsuit. Chill out buddy.
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Old January 22 2009, 05:04 PM   #19
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I like some of the answers that have been given.

In one of the quotes, it is stated that the website DITL.org is one of the most accurate sources for ship specs and general info. This is true...with the EXCEPTION of the Intrepid class. There are also other instances where there are factual misrepresentations.

On that website, it states the intrepid class has type 9 phasers. This is incorrect. Based of info from interviews and articles, including the article on the design lineage of the Intrepid class in Star Trek: The magazine, the ship should have type 10 phasers with a similar output to a galaxy class. The ship, according that article, was designed as a smaller counterpart with almost equal overall capability to the galaxy class, with the direct purpose of being more manuverable and easier to build.

Also, the Intrepid class has an extremely advanced warp core. Notice that you never see a central dilithium chamber? This is because, like the 1701-A, the entire warp core is lined with dilithium thus creating a swirl matrix that makes the entire warp core a matter/antimatter reaction chamber. This allows the Intrepid class' warp core to achieve far higher power output even though it is generally smaller than warp cores of the Galaxy class.

The torpedo launchers are also dual purpose...they can fire photon torpedo's or quantum torpedo's. Generally speaking the Intrepid class' also carry more advanced photon torpedo's, type 6 versus the type 4 carried by Galaxy class starships. The computer cores are also way more advanced, allowing the tactical systems to respond more quickly and efficiently, as well as allowing the Intrepid class to manuver quickly and way more accurately than a Galaxy class starship.

Also, in an episode of Voyager where Kim was playing his clarinete (or however you spell that.) and complaining about the sound accoustics, Lt. Paris specifically states in dialogue that the ship was built for combat. The ship, as described in the writers bible of Voyager, was a medium cruiser and explorer, and would thus have the abilities of a Galaxy class ship. To note, the designation of a ship has traditionally nothing to do with firepower, and only size. The Federation usually groups the two togther though.

It should also be said that Voyager went up against the tactical cube with only a ruptured port nacelle and some hull breaching. Granted the crew probably had inside information from Seven, but even in that case it had a greater survivability than the Enterprise-D did against a regular cube. It might've been bigger, but it was also not a tactical cube. Voyager was able to get away and function without much repair time, where as the Enterprise-D cut sliced and diced and had to undergo weeks of repairs and refits.

In addition to that, the USS Voyager was able to withstand a year of hellish punishment at the hands of Anorax in the episode the "Year of Hell." The Voyager seems to have a similar level of survivability to that of a Galaxy class. Also, the USS voyager was able to flye in between two binary nuetron stars with its shields intact, though it did suffer from some damage as a result. This indicates strong shielding systems, especially considering it was trapped in a black hole. To be mentioned, the USS Voyager was operating on limited resources and no outside help, and was still able to accomplish what it did and then some.

Lastly, Admiral Ross's personal flagship was the USS Bellepheron, an Intrepid class starship. It is extremely unlikely that an admiral would choose a ship relatively weak in combat strength during a time of war, and that also indicates the Intrepid class is a lot stronger and greater in general ability than most give it credit for.

In a battle, i think an Intrepid class and Galaxy class would be a more or less even match, with the Intrepid class eeking out in manuverability and speed over the Galaxy class.
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Old January 22 2009, 05:18 PM   #20
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not in battle, but Admiral Ross' ship, the USS Bellepheron, was an Intrepid and he and his crew did participate in multiple battles.
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Old January 22 2009, 05:21 PM   #21
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But we don't know which would win out, a small computer with a few gel-packs and a few isolinear chips, or a large one with a gadawful number of isolinear chips. Perhaps the Intrepid is just barely on par with Galaxy after the unfair advantage of gel-packs is factored in?

And to be sure, we don't even known that the gel-packs would be better than the isolinear chips. We just know that the Voyager has the gel-packs, and that she is a new ship. Perhaps the packs are cheaper and thus preferred, even though inferior otherwise? The technobabble at Memory Alpha isn't canonically supported...

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Actually the Intrepid class incorporates gel packs WITH isolinear processing unites. The gel packs are artificual nueral fibers that simulate how a brain functions, allowing quicker response time. The Sovereign class also incorporates this technology.
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Old January 22 2009, 06:30 PM   #22
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To my recollection, the Intrepid class is a simple downsized Galaxy class.
Identical offensive/defensive systems with a slight advantage of size going to the Galaxy class because it can house much more torpedoes in comparison to an Intrepid and can obviously hold more crew-members.

I wouldn't be surprised if both end up as matched up in the end in terms of fire-power.

In Intrepid's defense (by having issues with a very old Klingon K-Tinga) I have to remind people that a galaxy class Enterprise-D (flagship no less) had serious issues battling a measly BOP (Generations anyone?) and eventually wound up destroyed.

Both instances of battling Klingons were potential messed up writing aspects (which we know are the culprit) ... but at the same time, Klingons aren't idiotic, and if anything, there is a possibility they would upgrade their old K-Tinga ship as time went on to keep up ... plus who knows what types of techs they discovered along their own journey which helped them upgrade their weapons (And by their nature, they would focus more on weapons compared to defensive systems).
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Old January 22 2009, 06:48 PM   #23
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Re: Intrepid class VS a galaxy class, which was more powerful and adva

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Actually the Intrepid class incorporates gel packs WITH isolinear processing unites. The gel packs are artificual nueral fibers that simulate how a brain functions, allowing quicker response time. The Sovereign class also incorporates this technology.
Actually in Voyager's early episodes there was a big deal over reconfiguring Voyager to operate with Isolinear chips because they could be easily replaced and installed rather than the hard to come by gelpacks.

The Sovereign was never shown on screen to have gel packs.
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Old January 22 2009, 06:54 PM   #24
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not in battle, but Admiral Ross' ship, the USS Bellepheron, was an Intrepid and he and his crew did participate in multiple battles.
Naah. Ross was aboard the Bellerophon once, being ferried to a diplomatic meeting on Romulus. Doesn't mean it was "his" ship, or that he went aboard her ever again.

The gel packs are artificual nueral fibers that simulate how a brain functions, allowing quicker response time.
Or then not, as this wasn't told to us in any episode.

The Sovereign class also incorporates this technology.
Or then not, as this wasn't told to us in any movie.

Identical offensive/defensive systems
Or then not, as this wasn't told to us in any episode.

Are we to assume that all ships have identical systems unless otherwise told? Did the tiny Equinox have identical systems? She did have phaser strips and torpedo tubes, after all. What about the runabouts? Do they have Galaxy systems? They, too, have phaser strips and torpedo tubes.

Klingons aren't idiotic, and if anything, there is a possibility they would upgrade their old K-Tinga ship as time went on to keep up
Except that this wasn't possible in this particular case: the ship our VOY heroes met in "Prophecy" had been stranded in deep space for the better part of a century, much like the sleeper ship from TNG "The Emissary" that was easily dealt with by the E-D. Underway improvements would of course be possible, but I do wonder if the Klingons would have been capable of that sort of thing. That they survived the 80-year trip at all might be indicative of minimal contact with locals...

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Old January 22 2009, 07:40 PM   #25
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Chill out buddy.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion. Let's keep the personal out of it though.
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Old January 22 2009, 07:57 PM   #26
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To my recollection, the Intrepid class is a simple downsized Galaxy class.
Identical offensive/defensive systems with a slight advantage of size going to the Galaxy class because it can house much more torpedoes in comparison to an Intrepid and can obviously hold more crew-members.

I wouldn't be surprised if both end up as matched up in the end in terms of fire-power.

In Intrepid's defense (by having issues with a very old Klingon K-Tinga) I have to remind people that a galaxy class Enterprise-D (flagship no less) had serious issues battling a measly BOP (Generations anyone?) and eventually wound up destroyed.
Why do people keep forgetting to mention that the Enterprise's shields were essentially down for that battle? It's not like the Klingons overpowered her shields or knew where to shoot, they had an unwitting inside man! In fact, that was the only factor that really levelled the playing field; earlier in the movie, the sisters scoffed at the idea of taking on the Enterprise-D, citing that they were otherwise no match for a Galaxy-class starship.

Compare that to Voyager, whose shields were working during their encounter. Everytime the shields go down, for the E-D or Voyager or Defiant, that meant the ship was in serious, serious trouble.

Let's not pick and choose our facts, eh?

And again, this thread is about the Intrepid Vs. the Galaxy, not Voyager Vs. the Enterprise.
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Old January 23 2009, 08:28 PM   #27
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Oh, I'm not forgetting the shields were down.
Even with the shields down however, the Enterprise-D should have destroyed a measly BOP, suffering little damage in the process.
Sloppy writing was what allowed the BOP to inflict as much damage as it did.

What did we see in Generations with Riker in command?
One measly phaser shot which did some damage to the BOP shields.
Why not fire 10 torpedoes in a Sierra pattern along with a full-out phaser barrage instead and turn the BOP into minced meat?

Did the BOP's shields suddenly increase by a factor of 100 allowing their to be invulnerable completely while also dumbing down Riker and everyone else on the Enterprise-D?
Apparently so.
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Old January 23 2009, 11:03 PM   #28
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not in battle, but Admiral Ross' ship, the USS Bellepheron, was an Intrepid and he and his crew did participate in multiple battles.
Naah. Ross was aboard the Bellerophon once, being ferried to a diplomatic meeting on Romulus. Doesn't mean it was "his" ship, or that he went aboard her ever again.

The gel packs are artificual nueral fibers that simulate how a brain functions, allowing quicker response time.
Or then not, as this wasn't told to us in any episode.

Or then not, as this wasn't told to us in any movie.

Identical offensive/defensive systems
Or then not, as this wasn't told to us in any episode.

Are we to assume that all ships have identical systems unless otherwise told? Did the tiny Equinox have identical systems? She did have phaser strips and torpedo tubes, after all. What about the runabouts? Do they have Galaxy systems? They, too, have phaser strips and torpedo tubes.

Klingons aren't idiotic, and if anything, there is a possibility they would upgrade their old K-Tinga ship as time went on to keep up
Except that this wasn't possible in this particular case: the ship our VOY heroes met in "Prophecy" had been stranded in deep space for the better part of a century, much like the sleeper ship from TNG "The Emissary" that was easily dealt with by the E-D. Underway improvements would of course be possible, but I do wonder if the Klingons would have been capable of that sort of thing. That they survived the 80-year trip at all might be indicative of minimal contact with locals...

Timo Saloniemi

Actually, Star Trek:The magazine had an article of the gelpacks, and they specifically stated neural fibers (the mag is also officially authorized.) In addition, it's reasonable to assume they are what they are as the got "sick" in the episode. Also, they are called "Bio-Neural Gelpacks", and this also supports the notion that they used artificual neural fibers, allowing the computers to process info at best guess rather then process of elimination.

As i said before, the design lineage of the Intrepid class was also in Star Trek the magazine, and they specifically stated that the Intrepid class was designed as a direct result of the Galaxy class and are closely related. In yet another Star Trek Mag article, the ships is said to have high-powered phaser banks. Putting those two together it''s also reasonable to assume Voyager is equipped with at least some type of phaser with similar output to a Galaxy. Couple that with the quote from Lt. Paris while in Kim's quarters that the ship was built for combat, and considering it's an explorer, it's again reasonable to assume higher phaser output. If not type 10's, then something else.

Also, I think it's reasonable to assume Admiral Ross' ship was the USS Bellepheron. If he had a ship he could fight with, why would he use a different ship to be ferried in? He also used the briefing room as if it was his own, which is generally against protocol if it isn't his ship. And if it isn't, why would he shlep to the briefing room when he could hold a meeting in his own quarters.

The Equinox itself was the Defiant pathfinder originally. Considering the type of ship that is, and the year in which it was launched, it's also reasonable to assume that the tech on the Equinox class is similar, sans weapons and a high warp speed, to the Galaxy. Each consequent ship is a descendent of the advanced ships before it.

As to the Sovereign, I can't remember where I read that it had bionueral gel packs (I think again it was ST:The mag), BUT it was a TOP of the line battleship, with all the latest in gadgets and gizmo's. There is absolutley no reason to assume that it's tech did not include bionueral gelpacks. In fact, it would be ridiculous to think it didn't...A brand new ship with old technology and computing power??? I think not.
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Old January 24 2009, 12:53 AM   #29
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While we never saw direct on-screen evidence ... indeed, the designers of Voyager stated that it's essentially a downsized Galaxy class with same shields and weapons in terms of power outputs.
The only major difference between the two would be the obvious: size (along with amount of crews and torpeodes/materials both can carry in stock ... not to mention a temporary superiority in computers going to the Intrepid because it came designed with bio-neural circuitry ... and it's definitely possible the Galaxies received them in one of their re-fits later on).

It makes sense that SF would be able to make downsized versions of larger ships with same capabilities (whereas smaller ships would be limited in terms of how much torpedoes/materials they can have in stock).
They are easier/faster to produce, and they'd likely have very limited supply of civilians/families on board (if any at all) when it comes to deep-space exploratory missions.

If SF for example wants to reduce the amount of spent resources when it comes to making new ships ... instead of making 2 Galaxy class ships ... why not make 1 Galaxy class and 2 Intrepid class ships?
You get 3 ships instead of two, and granted you are limited in the amount of civilians/families you can stuff on the smaller ships ... still, it's a better arrangement because you'd have new ships out in the field much faster, while getting the same job done.
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Old January 24 2009, 01:17 AM   #30
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Galaxy Class is a Destroyer/Heavy Cruiser in my opinion, Voyager is more of a scout ship, the federation may call the Galaxy class an explorer, but you cannot deny the thing had a fierce weapons load. I say that Intrepid lasts a few minutes, it's a tough class but before long it just gets bombed out.
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