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Old February 7 2009, 07:42 PM   #241
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Re: A Singular Destiny review thread (possible spoilers)

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I don't suppose anyone could transcribe a the casualty list for those of us who don't mind spoilerisms?
I was going to say it didn't contain any familiar names besides the ones that have been discussed in spoiler boxes. However, in checking it, I see the name of at least one more significant character that nobody seems to have remarked upon yet, and two names of minor characters that I recall having seen before. Other than that, it's just a bunch of unfamiliar names, so there'd be no use in transcribing the full list.
Well, actually, I nearly burst out laughing, when I read that Chris Metzen apparantly bought it in the Treklit-verse.
What did he do to you, KRAD?

I thoroughly enjoyed the book, as it was giving me exactly, what I yearned for after Destiny - a detailed survey of the current political and econimic state of both Alpha- and Betaquadrant after the Borginvasion.
Seeing Ezri play a big part too, is another thing that I was grateful for, since I really dig her as captain of the Aventine. I've also come to like Kedair alot.

The forming of the Typhon Pact makes sense to me. With two of the "superpowers" being severely crippled, its no wonder the smaller powers sense their opportunities.
I just hope this won't turn into yet another fullscale war in the near future. I think we've had enough of that after the Dominion and the Borg.
Both the Federation and the Klingons have suffered immense losses over the past years, but were given almost no time to replenish their fleets and troops.
They can only take so much before my suspension of disbelief fades.
Give those guys some air to breathe. Say...10 to 20 years or so.

Until then, I'm hoping for a classic "Cold War"-scenario. With the Romulans taking on the role of Germany after World War II this, to me, seemed like the intended direction anyway.


One minor nitpick:
With Starfleets ressources spread thin, I have a hard time believing, that they would send Titan back on their original misson, especially after they turned Ezris request down (yeah, I know she's got the fastest ship out there). I hope, this gets elaborated on more in Over a torrent sea.
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Old February 8 2009, 06:05 AM   #242
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Well, actually, I nearly burst out laughing, when I read that Chris Metzen apparantly bought it in the Treklit-verse.
What did he do to you, KRAD?
The hilarious thing is that on this very day I finally met Chris in person for the first time. We've known each other and worked with each other on and off for the past four years, but we didn't meet until we did a joint signing (with Micky Neilson and Grace Randolph) at TokyoPop's booth at New York Comic-Con today.


One minor nitpick:
With Starfleets ressources spread thin, I have a hard time believing, that they would send Titan back on their original misson, especially after they turned Ezris request down (yeah, I know she's got the fastest ship out there). I hope, this gets elaborated on more in Over a torrent sea.
It does, in fact, get dealt with in OaTS.
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Old February 8 2009, 08:43 AM   #243
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I'm slowly making my way through this. Slow due to my lack of time to be able to sit and read like I'd like (not due to any lack of quality or ability to gain my attention).

Anyway, I just got up to Chapter 10 and wanted to comment at how amazingly well written the Personal Log of Counselor Brian Ellis was. WOW. For whatever reason that one actually made me stop before starting Chapter 10 to sit back and say "Damn, that was good." (And yes I actually said that out loud).
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Old February 8 2009, 03:49 PM   #244
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^ Thank you so very much, LS.
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Old February 8 2009, 06:14 PM   #245
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Some thoughts, spoiler-coded for length.

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Old February 8 2009, 10:23 PM   #246
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Going to read it one more time before I comment.
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Old February 9 2009, 12:57 AM   #247
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So that's who we get here: Sonek Pran, history professor and diplomatic troubleshooter. He's been shut out of political/diplomatic work during the Bush administration, but now that Obama -- I mean, he's been shut out during the Min Zife administration, but with Nan Bacco as president, his skills are once more recognized by a less ideological leadership and he's called on to serve the Federation. (Sorry... dunno if KRAD meant to make any parallels there, but it works for me.)
For the record, Nan Bacco first appeared (and was elected President) in A Time for War, A Time for Peace by Keith RA DeCandido, which was published in September of 2004. Meaning, of course, that it was actually written long before then -- I'd presume that the manuscript probably wasn't finished until March or April 2004, and that the novel and its key characters, including Bacco, were probably conceived and written some time in late 2003. For the record, KRAD lives in New York City.

President Obama, by contrast, was nationally unknown until he delivered the keynote address to the Democratic National Convention in July 2004 as a candidate for US Senator from Illinois. He had been serving as an Illinois State Senator from a district in Chicago since 1997 at that point, of course, but, as I noted above, KRAD is a New Yorker.

When Articles of the Federation was published in June 2005 -- a publication date only 9 months after War/Peace, BTW, which indicates he probably began working on it soon after he finished W/P, and, thus, probably began writing it before the 2004 DNC -- some comparisons were made between Bacco and Hillary Clinton. That seems like nonsense to me, though; the only thing they have in common, really, is being female and human. Bacco has always reminded me more of Molly Ivins or Anne Richards. And KRAD has gone on record on this BBS and others saying that he based her primarily on his great-grandmother.

As such, I think it's highly unlikely that KRAD based Bacco on Barack Obama.
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Old February 9 2009, 01:42 AM   #248
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I am curious as to why the writer of the teaser copy chose the word "awakens" in referring to the Typhon Pact. It seems like an odd word to use with respect to an alliance or coalition.
Well, mainly because cover blurbs need to sound dramatic. But I guess you could say that the events of Destiny awakened these powers' interest in forming a cooperative alliance -- and taking advantage of the relative power vacuum created by the Federation's weakened state.

This has nothing to do with the contents of the story, but I disagree with the decision to have all of the chapters and interstitials start on the right-hand page. The 20 blank pages that resulted from that choice make it seem like someone was trying to pad the page count.
It's pretty much a standard practice to start chapters on the right-hand page. I've usually seen exceptions only in really long books that had to save space.


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Do we actually get to find out what the Tzenkethi look like in AST? I've always wondered what they look like, and I swear I remember reading two different versions somewhere, one was felonoid, the other one was reptilian.
Some fans have assumed that because the name "Tzenkethi" bears a vague resemblance to "Kzinti," they must have been meant to be the Kzinti or something similar, so some fan works have depicted them as felinoid. However, Robert Hewitt Wolfe, who co-created them, explained online (when I asked him) that he had imagined them as "heavily armored lizard things," similar to Tyrannosaurus rex in appearance. As far as I know, no licensed fiction has used either description.

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I just finished a Singular Destiny a few days ago and thought it was well written and really like Soran Pren. And Ezri and her crew that are featured in this book and see how things continued after the Destiny series.To see the mystery of the Tyson Group unfold in the book.
Okay, I've seen "Typhoon Pact" and "Typhoid Pact," but this is the most creative misreading yet. "The mystery of the Tyson Group?" You mean like how they got so good at making poultry products?
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Old February 9 2009, 02:12 AM   #249
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Steve, thank you for that review.

As Sci indicated, the Bush:Zife::Obama:Bacco analogy was fortuitous, but unintentional. Bacco was created in late 2003 shortly after my great-grandmother died at the age of 98. Articles was written in mid-2004, in the midst of the presidential election (and finished in October, so I didn't know the outcome of that election when it was being written).

That there are parallels between President Obama and President Bacco is something I'll take as a happy coinky-dink.
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Old February 9 2009, 02:42 AM   #250
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As such, I think it's highly unlikely that KRAD based Bacco on Barack Obama.
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As Sci indicated, the Bush:Zife::Obama:Bacco analogy was fortuitous, but unintentional. Bacco was created in late 2003 shortly after my great-grandmother died at the age of 98. Articles was written in mid-2004, in the midst of the presidential election (and finished in October, so I didn't know the outcome of that election when it was being written).

That there are parallels between President Obama and President Bacco is something I'll take as a happy coinky-dink.
Guess I wasn't clear enough. I didn't mean there was an implicit Obama/Bacco thing going on; I was commenting instead on a certain administration's tendency to throw out career professionals and replace them with unqualified appointees with the right party background.
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Old February 9 2009, 02:57 AM   #251
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Do we actually get to find out what the Tzenkethi look like in AST? I've always wondered what they look like, and I swear I remember reading two different versions somewhere, one was felonoid, the other one was reptilian.
Some fans have assumed that because the name "Tzenkethi" bears a vague resemblance to "Kzinti," they must have been meant to be the Kzinti or something similar, so some fan works have depicted them as felinoid. However, Robert Hewitt Wolfe, who co-created them, explained online (when I asked him) that he had imagined them as "heavily armored lizard things," similar to Tyrannosaurus rex in appearance. As far as I know, no licensed fiction has used either description.
Actually, the Tzenkethi have been described within the fiction. The short story "Infinite Bureaucracy" describes a Tzenkethi as "a feliform biped with gray-and-black striped fur, including long, stringy whiskers and tall (if slightly bedraggled) pointed ears." A later reference indicates they have slitted pupils. Sounds like a cat to me.
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Old February 9 2009, 10:16 AM   #252
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w00t! I finally get to read this thread!, I just finished the book and I have say Thank you KRAD! Once again you've created an exceptional piece of fiction that is just truly awesome. As much as I loved Articles of the Federation I have to say this one has surpassed it in my personal reckoning. Right on sir.

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But I have to ask: What species are the individuals H'a'e'd't'd'o'i'r and B'w'e'd'l'e'r (as well as other similarly named beings that show up in the book) supposed to be?
A species I haven't gotten around to naming yet. I've used that naming convention elsewhere. Really do need to name those buggers.............................
I had assumed that they were Hamalki. Though I guess we never saw a Hamalki whose name had vowels in it. (Actually, were there any named Hamalki beyond K't'lk/K's't'lk?)
Yeah, after all the mentions in the book and the other Duane references I was hoping they were Hamalki as well, but then Sara described A'l'e'r'w'w'o'k 's tentacle at one point and it didn't really ring true to me anymore , big glass spiders and tentacles don't fit in my head. Though I'm curious where else the nameless species has been mentioned and if KRAD can give us any further description of them. Anyone who can play lively rendition of Emrak sil var Emrak is cool in my book.

Couple random questions though:

-We know Sonek was born around 2316, but I found it very interesting that his grandmother was a Bajoran, there's gotta be a story there. Around when did Tolik meet his wife and have T'Nallis? Definitely in the TOS neck of the woods...

-Why Typhon? If Star Charts is any indication this area seems kind of off the beaten path for anyone but the Romulans. Where did the idea for the name of the Typhon Pact originally come from?

-I know Keith is a Doctor Who fan and literary contributor as well amongst his many other realms of geekery; were the "Thals" of Thalezra an homage to a certain lovable race from Skaro or just a coincidence?

-The Janus Mining corporation, I'm guessing there's some kind of reference to Janus VI here, if there is, I'm wondering if it was the intention to imply that this company somehow evolved from the lucrative situation that came about on this world, or if the implication was that Janus VI was a name bestowed on just another world being mined in the 2260's by the Janus Mining Corporation. Ala Dytallix B and the Dytallix Mining Company.

-About the Tholian grudge. I imagine that there was some kind of communication with David Mack regarding this Taurus Reach business, but I'm just curious if the "sins of the Taurus Reach" that Tezrene brings up once again and which Nan refers to as having happened in the Gariman sector is a specific reference to events we've already seen in Vanguard or if it was a portent of events to come in that series.

-Not a question so much as a lament for the late great Capt. Sanders, we'll miss you George Francisco!

Thanks for the Blast Keith! Once again, you rock!
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Old February 9 2009, 11:13 AM   #253
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Okay, I've seen "Typhoon Pact" and "Typhoid Pact," but this is the most creative misreading yet. "The mystery of the Tyson Group?" You mean like how they got so good at making poultry products?
Yeah - but they'll be damn good fighters, just don't let them get too near your ears!
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Why Typhon? If Star Charts is any indication this area seems kind of off the beaten path for anyone but the Romulans. Where did the idea for the name of the Typhon Pact originally come from?
The only thing that comes to mind Trek-wise, is the Typhon expanse (from the TNG episode with Kelsey Grammer.. Cause and Effect?

..But it's probably an allusion to the greek god Typhon, who according to Wikipedia :"Typhon attempts to replace Zeus as the king of gods and men. Typhon was described as the largest and most grotesque of all creatures that have ever lived, having a hundred serpent heads"

Which begs the question - why would the TP races choose a Human mythological reference? Could be a story there...

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About the Tholian grudge. I imagine that there was some kind of communication with David Mack regarding this Taurus Reach business, but I'm just curious if the "sins of the Taurus Reach" that Tezrene brings up once again and which Nan refers to as having happened in the Gariman sector is a specific reference to events we've already seen in Vanguard or if it was a portent of events to come in that series.
This is IMO another general reference in the same vein as the DS9 \ MU reference put in by Marco (as per Mack's account). A shout out and a "tease" to the already-classis Vanguard series
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Old February 9 2009, 03:08 PM   #255
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w00t! I finally get to read this thread!, I just finished the book and I have say Thank you KRAD! Once again you've created an exceptional piece of fiction that is just truly awesome. As much as I loved Articles of the Federation I have to say this one has surpassed it in my personal reckoning. Right on sir.
Thanks!


Yeah, after all the mentions in the book and the other Duane references I was hoping they were Hamalki as well, but then Sara described A'l'e'r'w'w'o'k 's tentacle at one point and it didn't really ring true to me anymore , big glass spiders and tentacles don't fit in my head. Though I'm curious where else the nameless species has been mentioned and if KRAD can give us any further description of them. Anyone who can play lively rendition of Emrak sil var Emrak is cool in my book.
Nope, not Hamalki. Beyond that, we'll see.


-We know Sonek was born around 2316, but I found it very interesting that his grandmother was a Bajoran, there's gotta be a story there. Around when did Tolik meet his wife and have T'Nallis? Definitely in the TOS neck of the woods...
The background I created for Sonek when I created the character is that his grandmother was a Bajoran who was raised on Vulcan. There doesn't have to be a story there -- Bajorans did have warp travel, after all, and sometimes people leave their homeworlds.


-Why Typhon? If Star Charts is any indication this area seems kind of off the beaten path for anyone but the Romulans. Where did the idea for the name of the Typhon Pact originally come from?
Marco and I went through about a billion different names for this thing. We actually went through Star Charts trying to find a good location where the six powers could get together to meet regarding their new alliance. We decided the Typhon Expanse was as good a place as any, and we liked the sound of Typhon Pact. (If you'll notice on page 215, there's a reference to a lot of warp activity in and out of the expansse....)


-I know Keith is a Doctor Who fan and literary contributor as well amongst his many other realms of geekery; were the "Thals" of Thalezra an homage to a certain lovable race from Skaro or just a coincidence?
An unconscious coincidence. I realized it later, but I kept it anyhow.


-The Janus Mining corporation, I'm guessing there's some kind of reference to Janus VI here, if there is, I'm wondering if it was the intention to imply that this company somehow evolved from the lucrative situation that came about on this world, or if the implication was that Janus VI was a name bestowed on just another world being mined in the 2260's by the Janus Mining Corporation. Ala Dytallix B and the Dytallix Mining Company.
*shrug* Pick one. I just liked the name.


-About the Tholian grudge. I imagine that there was some kind of communication with David Mack regarding this Taurus Reach business, but I'm just curious if the "sins of the Taurus Reach" that Tezrene brings up once again and which Nan refers to as having happened in the Gariman sector is a specific reference to events we've already seen in Vanguard or if it was a portent of events to come in that series.
Little of both.


-Not a question so much as a lament for the late great Capt. Sanders, we'll miss you George Francisco!
Indeed......


Thanks for the Blast Keith! Once again, you rock!
Thanks so much!
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