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Old January 9 2009, 07:56 AM   #1
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Why was The captain of the ENT-B such a noob?

seriously, he was the captain of the flagship! and he was like Save me mr kirk!

I hated this
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Old January 9 2009, 08:04 AM   #2
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Re: Why was The captain of the ENT-B such a noob?

Was the B the "flagship"?
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Old January 9 2009, 08:05 AM   #3
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Re: Why was The captain of the ENT-B such a noob?

The guy was a noob, but he had all of a few moments to make a judgement call in the face of a massive temporal energy disruption & a bridge full of Starfleet legends. The Temporal Prime Directive & the proteges of Starfleet Command to protect....how long would it have taken YOU to slam it in reverse? And would it have made a difference? Would it have followed the Enterprise-B to fulfill a celestial-scale destiny? We don't know. It was a MOVIE, Dude. To a point, you're supposed to suspend disbelief.
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Old January 9 2009, 08:10 AM   #4
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Re: Why was The captain of the ENT-B such a noob?

Nerys Myk wrote: View Post
Was the B the "flagship"?
Must have been surely, it was "the enterprise"
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Old January 9 2009, 08:19 AM   #5
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Re: Why was The captain of the ENT-B such a noob?

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Was the B the "flagship"?
Must have been surely, it was "the enterprise"
I don't think the original or the A was.
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Old January 9 2009, 08:28 AM   #6
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Re: Why was The captain of the ENT-B such a noob?

Ok, do you know what was though?
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Old January 9 2009, 08:38 AM   #7
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Re: Why was The captain of the ENT-B such a noob?

I'm pretty sure that all of the 'Enterprise' Starfleet vessels were flagships in their particular era.
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Old January 9 2009, 08:52 AM   #8
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I'm pretty sure that all of the 'Enterprise' Starfleet vessels were flagships in their particular era.
You'd be pretty wrong. This "flagship" rubbish only began with ST:TNG and the NCC-1701-D.

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Old January 9 2009, 10:14 AM   #9
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Re: Why was The captain of the ENT-B such a noob?

Well, they cast Alan Ruck for a reason -- they wanted someone with an aura of vulnerability and goofiness to play a newbie captain as a straw man to make Kirk look even better than if he had to deal with an experienced captain. The role in many ways is similar to the roles Ruck played on Ferris Buehler's Day Off and Spin City. Kind of silly, but hey, it was GEN!

As for whether Enterprise-B was the flagship, probably not. I actually like the idea of a Starfleet flagship, started in TNG. But I think that was still a mostly ceremonial title. To digress, the only time we see that Enterprise-D has some kind of official "flagship" role was in Chain of Command, where it's revealed the D would be the command ship for that sector if Minos Korva was attacked by the Cardassians.

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Old January 9 2009, 12:22 PM   #10
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Umm, or then they cast Ruck because he looked even more handsome and heroic and confidence-inspiring than Shatner in his prime, so that the contrast would be all the greater when the man was emasculated by his shortchanged starship and the overwhelming presence of the mighty Kirk...

Surely Ruck is the sort of material you put in the posters on Starfleet drafting office walls, if you don't want to go through the trouble of photoshopping.

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Old January 9 2009, 12:52 PM   #11
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Well, they cast Alan Ruck for a reason -- they wanted someone with an aura of vulnerability and goofiness to play a newbie captain as a straw man to make Kirk look even better than if he had to deal with an experienced captain. The role in many ways is similar to the roles Ruck played on Ferris Buehler's Day Off and Spin City. Kind of silly, but hey, it was GEN!

As for whether Enterprise-B was the flagship, probably not. I actually like the idea of a Starfleet flagship, started in TNG. But I think that was still a mostly ceremonial title. To digress, the only time we see that Enterprise-D has some kind of official "flagship" role was in Chain of Command, where it's revealed the D would be the command ship for that sector if Minos Korva was attacked by the Cardassians.

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They had refered to it as the flagship well before Chain of Command. In Sarek for example, I believe (I just saw it during that Christmas marathon).
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Old January 9 2009, 12:54 PM   #12
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Re: Why was The captain of the ENT-B such a noob?

New captains? They are all noobs that got pwned.
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Old January 9 2009, 01:03 PM   #13
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Re: Why was The captain of the ENT-B such a noob?

As far as I can tell and prefer to believe until something onscreen actually
contradicts it, the Enterprise has always been the flagship of the fleet.

Anyways, I don't think he was a n00b. I'm sure he had command experience
before this incident. But with an undermanned, unequiped Starship only meant
to be going on a media excursion essentialy... it probably made things tough.

I wish we would have seen more of the ENT-B and Harriman. The roles of
both in the New Era novel they were featured in were awesome.
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Old January 9 2009, 01:36 PM   #14
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As far as I can tell and prefer to believe until something onscreen actually
contradicts it, the Enterprise has always been the flagship of the fleet.
Why choose this starting point? Why not "until something onscreen actually contradicts it, the Enterprise has always been a run-of-the-mill ship"?

Nothing in TOS ever indicated that Kirk's ship would have been "special". ST:TMP gave the ship some special status as a spearhead in a refit project, but ST2 brought her down to earth figuratively by showing a "has-been" training career without a hint of any sort of glorious past status - and ST3 did that a bit more literally.

We saw too little of the A, the B or the C to learn anything about their status. Certainly nothing directly indicated that they would have been the most famous ships of their time, or anything; indeed, the E-B was never heard of again after her maiden voyage.

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Old January 9 2009, 01:46 PM   #15
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Re: Why was The captain of the ENT-B such a noob?

I doubt the A would have been a flagship - it's model had been superseded by the Excelsior class
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