There must be a second Earth...

[DontFeedPhil]

I really dont think that this is "our" earth. Every time they show the planet they are very careful about NOT showing any recognizable land masses or our moon. Thats gotta count for something. If the writers wanted us to just give in to the fact that yes this is our Earth then all they had to do was show us 1 stinking recognizable thing. And they havent done that...

[Captain Fine]

OMFG people died on Kobol. People also died once they reached Earth. A LOT of people died on New Caprica. That scripture isn't worth the paper it was printed on. They ought to head back to Kobol, scripture be damned. Scripture is what damned them from the beginning. Just my opinion

[USS Gettysburg]

DontFeedPhil wrote:

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You really didnt listen to what they said in the show did you? He said he "PLAYED" that song for them. Not that he wrote it. Those are 2 very different things. Just cause Britney Spears (pronounced) "Britney-Z-Beers" sings a song doesnt mean she wrote it. Think about it like that...

One more time fellas. Listen to the podcast. Lawl. Ron Moore says that Anders wrote the song in nuBSG world. Then as stated above Bear's blog says that this isn't meant to be a song that Bob Dylan wrote. THE CREATORS TELL US THIS STUFF. They provide all these different outlets to tell us it is not Bob Dylan's song in this case. THEY SAY ANDERS WROTE IT. ANDERS SANG IT. Listen to the podcast, it makes for well informed fans.

DontFeedPhil wrote:

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You really didnt listen to what they said in the show did you?

So obviously I listened. I listened to everything a fan is supposed to listen to and what they are supposed to read. This argument has been moot for sometime.

[USS Gettysburg]

Gep Malakai wrote:

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Meerkat. Elton Jh...err, Timon is a meerkat.

Carry on.

Dang. I knew that my Disney trivia knowledge sucked. Me = FAIL.

[DontFeedPhil]

I only go by the show itself. I really dont even care if the producer says so. If he wanted it to be a fact then he'd have made the characters say that he wrote it. Its very easy for a producer to lie or throw out misinformation in a podcast. If Anders wrote it then they would say so in the show. Thats cannon...

[RoJoHen]

DontFeedPhil wrote:

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I really dont think that this is "our" earth. Every time they show the planet they are very careful about NOT showing any recognizable land masses or our moon. Thats gotta count for something. If the writers wanted us to just give in to the fact that yes this is our Earth then all they had to do was show us 1 stinking recognizable thing. And they havent done that...

Because it doesn't matter whether it's "ours" or not. This story isn't about us. It's just Earth. That's all you need to know.

[Mr Awe]

WeAreTheBorg wrote:

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People are forgetting All Along the Watchtower. Anders played it on Earth... it came from Earth, it's based on our reality. This is our planet. If they were all Cylons, then so are we.

Or - its set far in our future

I think this is one key reason they used a real song for the wake up call. It clearly identifies this as our Earth and it must be in our future. It confirms all of that without having to go into more detail, exploration to prove that it's our Earth and the timeframe. They pretty much get to skip over that which isn't really BSG's thing. We, the audience, know definitively.

Mr Awe

[BolianAuthor]

m01ety wrote:

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All right. So I think it's clear as mud that things played out somewhat along these lines:

1. Humans on Kobol. They make Cylons. Cylons rebel. War!

2. They fight for a while, and the humans go off to found the colonies. The Cylons go off to find a home far far far away. Kobol is abandoned.

3. The Cylons, either on their way to Earth, or when they arrive there, evolve into human-form. They don't limit themselves to twelve models; there's a wide variety of skin tones and ethnicities and they emulate the Kobolians as best they can. Essentially, they've become their own "human" colony, with the only difference being that their brains run machine code, not humanware. Some of the original toaster Cylons are still around, chilling -- these were the ones we saw along with the skeletons.

4. Someone nukes the Cylon colony. I think it was survivors from Kobol -- either direct Kobol descendants who never made it to the twelve colonies, or people from very early on in the history of the twelve colonies, and it's just not in recorded history. I don't buy that the human-form Cylons who lived on Earth built their own toasters that then attacked them.

5. Five human-form Cylons manage to download and resurrect after the calamity. Experimental tech? Maybe. Either way, they're emo about what happened so they wipe their memories, and they're lonely so they go off to find the descendants of the humans from Kobol in the colonies. They integrate into society, lay low, and maybe keep resurrecting over several lifetimes. Maybe they brought resurrection tech along with them on the ship that they used to get to the Colonies in the first place.

6. The Colonists make robots as well, which resemble the original Kobol models. It's probably reasonable to assume that someone who had a hand in designing the first batch also has a hand in designing this new batch, since "our" toasters look similar to the 2000-year-old toasters they found on Earth.

7. Just like Kobol went to war with their Cylons, the Colonies go to war with their own. They're not destroyed or abandoned, however -- instead, the Cylons go away somewhere.

--> Now here's the interesting part. If the 13th Tribe Cylons left their original home, Kobol, to found a new home, Earth, and everything is cyclical, then it stands to reason that the Colonial-Cylons also founded a new home. The Colonial-Cylon Homeworld is equivalent to Earth in this cycle.

For all we know, there's millions of Cavils and Dorals and Natalies running around food markets, playing Dylan, whatever.

I kind of feel that the Cylon Homeworld will therefore come up before the show is over. Plus, where else would they go?


Share your thoughts on my devious little ideas.

Yet a second theory that I could very well see being true. Good guess.

Though, if everything is cyclical... what about this...

Earth is not Earth... KOBOL was Earth, and what we know as Earth, was Kobol.

[Magic_Al]

It's suspicious that they specifically showed North America in the galaxy-crossing shot at the end of Crossroads Part 2 but have not re-confirmed that since the fleet arrived wherever they arrived. If Cylon Earth isn't our Earth, our Earth is already stated to be there too, otherwise they're pulling a Star Trek TOS "Miri" on us (also described as IICS, inexplicably identical continent syndrome).

I looked at the Crossroads Part 2 Earth for city lights coming from the night side, which would prove there's currently civilization, but the shot is cleverly composed with the terminator off the American west coast so only the Pacific Ocean is seen in shadow. They think of everything!

[Agent Richard07]

Magic_Al wrote:

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It's suspicious that they specifically showed North America in the galaxy-crossing shot at the end of Crossroads Part 2 but have not re-confirmed that since the fleet arrived wherever they arrived. If Cylon Earth isn't our Earth, our Earth is already stated to be there too, otherwise they're pulling a Star Trek TOS "Miri" on us (also described as IICS, inexplicably identical continent syndrome).

Or Hodgkin's Law of Parallel Planetary Development.

[Magic_Al]

Agent Richard07 wrote:

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Or Hodgkin's Law of Parallel Planetary Development.

Doesn't cover Identical Geological Formation!

Thank gods there are no forehead aliens on any of the planets.

[Mr. Laser Beam]

BolianAdmiral wrote:

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Earth is not Earth... KOBOL was Earth, and what we know as Earth, was Kobol.

Interesting. I never thought of it that way. I can't remember, what did Kobol's landmasses look like from space? Did they ever show them?

If Kobol literally is our Earth, that would certainly explain a lot.

[Deckerd]

Does this have spoilers in it before I look at the whole thread?

[RoJoHen]

^Just through the most current episode. All the other spoilers have been coded, I believe.

[Deckerd]

Then I won't bother.