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Old January 19 2009, 07:52 PM   #31
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Re: NX-01 Vs Ncc-1701 D

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This thread is fucking lame.
As opposed to all the other Trek Trivia threads?
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Old January 21 2009, 05:05 AM   #32
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For what it's worth, Spock says that the 20th century F-104 that intercepts the Enterprise in "Tomorrow is Yesterday" did pose a threat to the Starship, presumably with it's shields down. So if an aircraft from the 20th century could theoretically damage a 23rd Century Starship, I see no reason why the NX-01 couldn't damage the Enterprise-D, albeit under extreamly unlikely circumstances.
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Old January 22 2009, 06:44 AM   #33
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The NX-01 would most certainly NOT out fight or gun the Enterprise-D, or for that matter ANY Galaxy class starship.

Why?

Well, aside from the fact the Enterprise didn't have the greatest sheilds as they were in the infancy stage of that technology, they didn't have advanced weaponry at all.

Going by the century, phase canon's pre-date TOS' lasers. I'm assuming that phase cannon's were a particle laser weapon of some sort that gave birth to the lasers used by the Constitution class. Or, i like this one better, phase-cannon's proved too taxing or not as reliable as the lasers created later on. perhaps Starfleet could focus more energy into a Laser than they could a phase-cannon. Phasers rolled around once lasers were maxed out on power, and using the lessons learned from Phase cannons starfleet was able to create a much more flexible weapon.

Photon torpedo's....Well, a photon is a light particle. The term photon torpedo only refers to the fact that it emits light as it travels to the target. The photonic torpedo simply does the same thing. However, both are stated as antimatter weapons so there in lies the rub. I offer a possible explanation.

Photonic torpedo's could be an ancestor of the more modern photon torpedo which entered service in around 2245. If people will recall, the photon torpedo was initially a slow, short range weapon that you could even outrun if you were quick enough. That said it's possible that yes indeed the photonic torped worked in much the same way, but engineers couldn't get around the range to explosive yield ratio (remember that to travel the torpedo uses it's own warhead for fuel.), and thus abandoned it in favor of the more flexible and longer range nuclear warhead, which they still could make yet even more powerful.

This all said, going by the timeline, Enterprise's weaponry and defensive capabilities were much more primitive than a Galaxy class weapons.

Photon torpedo's by the 24th century had a maximum range of 4 million KM with a payload of 1.5 kilo's of matter and antimatter, with a stock compliment of around 200 torpedo's with industrial replicators to make mroe. The type ten phasers used by that class of ship had an output of 50 TW (initially MW, but that would be underpowered and Voyager repeatedly used the TW range, and Intrepid class ships have type ten phasers as well.) PER SEGMENT. The dorsal phaser array of a galaxy class ship has over 200 emitter segments, most of them working in pairs.

The galaxy class starships shields are also extremely strong, though in the 2360's not as strong as an Intrepid or Sovereign class'. This assumably changed with the outbreak of the Dominion war. The Galaxy class has some 12 heavy sheild generators littered around the ship not counting backups or ones used in separated flight mode. In addition to on board firepower and defensive capabilities, the large shuttlebay on decks 3 and four can comfortably carry squadrens of shuttles with their own weaponry.

All in all...

the galaxy class ship would own the NX-01. Simple. Whether it is beaten down with shuttles and the ship itself, or destroyed because the Galaxy class separated and fought with two ships, or by the fact that the Galaxy class' weaponry has a longer range than anything in the 2150's.

It's also worth noting that the warp core of an NX class starship doesn't even havea highenough power output to maintain anything over warp 5 and is TINY. The galaxy class warp core occupies 10 decks, and can maintain a cruise velocity of warp 6 indefinately, with an emergency speed of warp 9.6, and by the time of the dominion war warp 9.9.
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Old July 19 2011, 02:34 AM   #34
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I think the NX-01 could win against the Ncc-1701 D if proper tactics were used.
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Old July 19 2011, 03:08 AM   #35
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In before the lock.
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Old July 19 2011, 03:11 AM   #36
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In before the lock.

Why lock it, I resurrected it instead of making a new one, did not want to repeat my stodden error...
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Old July 19 2011, 03:19 AM   #37
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Though it's not posted anywhere, the mods frown on old threads being revived. Especially when limited new content is added.
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Old July 19 2011, 03:22 AM   #38
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Though it's not posted anywhere, the mods frown on old threads being revived. Especially when limited new content is added.

Hopefully the added content will come from newer members who will add to the thread.
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Old July 19 2011, 05:44 AM   #39
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Circular argument.
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Old July 19 2011, 06:44 AM   #40
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Circular argument.


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Old July 19 2011, 02:39 PM   #41
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Photon torpedo's....Well, a photon is a light particle. The term photon torpedo only refers to the fact that it emits light as it travels to the target.

I offer a possible explanation.
I personally don't think that the word "Photon" in photon torpedo has anything to do with light photons in any way.

Instead I offer that photon torpedo is like modern day spearfish torpedoes, or sidewinder missiles, neither of which, respectively, has anything to do with a type of fish or snake. Most likely the photon torpedo moniker refers to a family of torpedoes that Starfleet has deployed for close to a century as their standard torpedo.

The sidewinder missile is now over a half century old, and is in it (fourteenth?) generation. If Starfleet liked the photon torpedo, and were willing to periodically modify it, the various "photorp" variants could conceivably remain in service from Kirk's time through Janeway's.


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