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Old January 17 2009, 10:11 PM   #166
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Re: Battlestar Galactica 4x11: "Sometimes a Great Notion"

Supposedly, Starbuck doesn't get closure, though the other characters do.

What if her appearing on Earth (crashing)--and I have no idea how she got there--was the cause of the death of Earth? Somehow?

As for Tigh and Ellen--no matter what, no matter how each of them was--they loved each other completely. And I think it adds more pathos to Tigh killing her. First, he thought he was human and she betrayed him/them by sleeping with cylons. Then, when learning he was a cylon (of some kind), he realized that he killed her for doing exactly what she had been doing all along--sleeping with a cylon. Now, he finds out that none of it even mattered, not her sleeping with the cylon, not his killing her, not his guilt all this time about it.

I agree with those that these 5 seem to actually be reborn somehow, so maybe Tigh's kid with Six is Ellen--but that'd be kinda grossly incestuous somehow, unless one of the Final Five was always needed for rebith of one of them. Sounds stupid, I know.

So, who is Roslin screaming at in the previews? Is she really "the dying leader"?
Where does Hera fit in all this? She better somehow, with all the buildup and dreams/visions. And what of Nicky? Does he matter at all?

I did like how both sides were just in shock and seemed to realize there was no point in fighting anymore--what both thought was a human planet was actually a cylon planet. What a mindf**k!

And loved Leoben's fear of Starbuck. Does he or do es he not know more than he lets on? And was Starbuck's burning "her" body so that no one else would know, or what? I guess she did lead them to their destruction--now both groups are kinda united more than before (well, not the others--Cavil and them).
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Old January 17 2009, 10:20 PM   #167
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I got the impression Kara burned her body so no one would find out. She apparently hasn't told anyone, she told the colonials apparently that she couldn't find the signal. I think she was going to tell Lee when she came on board the presidents ship, but then she learned of Dee and didn't tell him.
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Old January 17 2009, 10:38 PM   #168
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What if her appearing on Earth (crashing)--and I have no idea how she got there--was the cause of the death of Earth? Somehow?
I don't think there was any suggestion of time travel with Starbuck. Earth was nuked 2,000 years ago. Starbuck's body and the wreckage looked only several months old and appeared to be where it had fallen, like Space Shuttle Columbia debris and crew remains in Texas, not moved or buried and more decomposed like it would have been after 2,000 years of weather and wildlife and floods.

The dead Starbuck died when her Viper exploded, just as Apollo saw. The wreckage then went through a wormhole and fell out of the sky over Earth. The Starbuck who took the pictures of Earth and returned to the fleet must have been created in the wormhole and emerged separately, but any explanation for her is speculation.
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Old January 17 2009, 10:40 PM   #169
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consistent with Starbuck finding a centuries old corpse of herself
Was it centuries old? I thought it was just damage to her body from fire (i.e. the explosion of her Viper) that made it look like that.
So you finally started watching, huh?
Like I said, last year I watched the final scene of "Revelations" (I already knew what it would be) and it did intrigue me. And I liked this episode as well. It won't make me start over from scratch, but don't say I never tried it out.
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Old January 17 2009, 10:53 PM   #170
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If you think that this episode was really bleak and depressing then I'd hate to see your reaction to The Wire or The Shield.
I was thinking the exact same thing. 'Sometimes a Great Notion' was pretty damn bleak and it only looks like it's going to get worse from here, but for me I don't think anything can out-bleak The Shield's 'Family Meeting.' Good god.
That was only one storyline though, BSG is thoroughly bleak and depressing sometimes.
Fair enough. Good point. RDM and co. really have a unique knack for piling it on beginning to end.
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Old January 17 2009, 11:08 PM   #171
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Excellent

I've never seen so many things I didn't see coming in a single episode before.
 
Old January 17 2009, 11:11 PM   #172
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If you think that this episode was really bleak and depressing then I'd hate to see your reaction to The Wire or The Shield.
I was thinking the exact same thing. 'Sometimes a Great Notion' was pretty damn bleak and it only looks like it's going to get worse from here, but for me I don't think anything can out-bleak The Shield's 'Family Meeting.' Good god.
That was only one storyline though, BSG is thoroughly bleak and depressing sometimes.
I don't know, I find it to be a pleasant distraction from my life.

Excellent episode. They made me like Dee for the first time since season 2, and then they put a gun to her head and killed her. Awesome!

As for Ellen being the fifth; it doesn't bother me so much, I would prefer it to be her than Roslin or Adama, but I guess I'll have to see the final nine to see how all this works out.
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Old January 17 2009, 11:35 PM   #173
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Forgotten how good this show is.

I guess were done with the "ONE WILL BE REVEALED" titles.

Much needed moments of humour from Lee as well, "real estate prices are really low."
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Old January 17 2009, 11:47 PM   #174
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Excellent episode. They made me like Dee for the first time since season 2, and then they put a gun to her head and killed her. Awesome!
That's pretty much what they did with Cally, too. I've learned: if a secondary character suddenly gets a lot of development in an episode, they're going to die.
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Old January 18 2009, 12:23 AM   #175
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I guess were done with the "ONE WILL BE REVEALED" titles.
Looks like they're done with the opening theme/montage too, unless its absence from this episode was a one-off thing.
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Old January 18 2009, 01:05 AM   #176
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This episode was wonderfully understated. Excellent? More like perfect.

Did anyone else notice that Dee has become just like "Athena" from Kobol? Suicide borne of despair..oddly enough the equivalent character on TOS was named Athena as well.

Could be coincidence. i wonder..
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Old January 18 2009, 01:12 AM   #177
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I guess were done with the "ONE WILL BE REVEALED" titles.
Looks like they're done with the opening theme/montage too, unless its absence from this episode was a one-off thing.
I noticed that, too. And there was no music for that whole opening sequence. Creepy.

It'll be interesting to see what they do for an opening for the rest of the season/series.
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Old January 18 2009, 01:16 AM   #178
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Was it centuries old? I thought it was just damage to her body from fire (i.e. the explosion of her Viper) that made it look like that.
So you finally started watching, huh?
Like I said, last year I watched the final scene of "Revelations" (I already knew what it would be) and it did intrigue me. And I liked this episode as well. It won't make me start over from scratch, but don't say I never tried it out.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said you "didn't try it out"; as I recall, my previous confusion was more about your steadfast refusal to actually watch the show, despite talking about it here and there. As I remember, you were interested enough to comment on the show, to read plot points, to check up on the BSG wiki, complain about various things you didn't like, or be snarky, but the one thing you refused to do was actually sit and watch the show. It was almost amusing because you put so much effort in to the show, why not just watch the damn thing?

Anyway. I'm glad you liked the show. I would highly suggest you watch the entire series from the beginning as it will add texture, meaning and definition to things you probably have no idea about because you don't actually watch the show. Further, given your reasons for not liking the series, I'm quite impressed you could find last night's episode entertaining at all.
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Old January 18 2009, 01:18 AM   #179
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I guess were done with the "ONE WILL BE REVEALED" titles.
Looks like they're done with the opening theme/montage too, unless its absence from this episode was a one-off thing.
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I guess were done with the "ONE WILL BE REVEALED" titles.
Looks like they're done with the opening theme/montage too, unless its absence from this episode was a one-off thing.
I noticed that, too. And there was no music for that whole opening sequence. Creepy.

It'll be interesting to see what they do for an opening for the rest of the season/series.
Doubtful. They did this before with "Crossroads." More than likely, the show open was omitted for this episode to save time and include as much story as possible.
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Old January 18 2009, 01:39 AM   #180
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All of humanity are Cylons.

The colonials destroyed the 13th tribe 2000 years ago and now the Cylons nuke the twelve colonies centuries later.

Dee's suicide was obvious even before she walked into the room.

Only four Cylons were on the fleet, which explains why Three knew straight away who was left.

Great episode. Can't wait for next week.
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