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Old January 17 2009, 05:52 AM   #16
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Re: Abrams: Trek Fans Will Be Happy With New Film

I love the vast majority of Trek material out there and I've seen nothing from Mr. Abrams that indicates to me this film will be any different than the rest of his stuff, overhyped garbage.
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Old January 17 2009, 09:50 PM   #17
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With the exception of Fringe, I have little pre-conceived notions about Abrams' work. So I remain hopeful that this film will turn out to be good.
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Old January 18 2009, 10:34 PM   #18
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So are you saying that the ENT timeline didn't exist until the Enterprise-E went back to 2063?
Yes and no. It's both that simple and that complex.
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Old January 19 2009, 12:33 AM   #19
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So are you saying that the ENT timeline didn't exist until the Enterprise-E went back to 2063?
Yes and no. It's both that simple and that complex.
Okay, I'll buy that, but let me ask a simple question then: Was the the voyages of the NX-01 part of the original TOS/TNG history before the events of First Contact?

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Old January 19 2009, 01:18 AM   #20
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Re: Abrams: Trek Fans Will Be Happy With New Film

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So are you saying that the ENT timeline didn't exist until the Enterprise-E went back to 2063?
Yes and no. It's both that simple and that complex.
Okay, I'll buy that, but let me ask a simple question then: Was the the voyages of the NX-01 part of the original TOS/TNG history before the events of First Contact?

Nope. They hadn't been written yet.
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Old January 20 2009, 12:09 AM   #21
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I know that.



I'm talking about within the context of the Star Trek universe itself, since ENT has been ret-conned into the timeline.
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Old January 20 2009, 02:49 AM   #22
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I know that.



I'm talking about within the context of the Star Trek universe itself, since ENT has been ret-conned into the timeline.
I subscribe to the idea that ENT was a timeline created after the First Contact
incident. I think it's just cooler like that and definitely makes sense.
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Old January 20 2009, 03:23 AM   #23
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I know that.



I'm talking about within the context of the Star Trek universe itself, since ENT has been ret-conned into the timeline.
I subscribe to the idea that ENT was a timeline created after the First Contact
incident. I think it's just cooler like that and definitely makes sense.

It makes sense, but then I would ask the question of what happened in the mid-22cd century in the original TOS/TNG timeline, if there was no NX series starships.
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Old January 20 2009, 04:14 AM   #24
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Re: Abrams: Trek Fans Will Be Happy With New Film

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So are you saying that the ENT timeline didn't exist until the Enterprise-E went back to 2063?
Yes and no. It's both that simple and that complex.
Okay, I'll buy that, but let me ask a simple question then: Was the the voyages of the NX-01 part of the original TOS/TNG history before the events of First Contact?

Here's my take on the matter:

I believe "predestination paradox" is the correct term. Prior to tthe events that occurred in FC, Archer was captain of the NX-01 but it was called something else like Constitution. First contact with the Vulcans occurred with the assistance of the crew of the Enterprise-E. When Picard and crew become involved in first contact in 2063, changes occur in the timeline. Cochrane, thankful for the assistance he received from Picard and his ship, convinces Henry Archer to name the first warp five ship Enterprise. When Picard and crew return to 2373, they would not have known what the changes were but would've learned them. Perhaps they could've gone to Starfleet HQ and see a model of the NX-01 among a display of Enterprises. Upon seeing this, Riker could've muttered to Picard, "Oh boy."
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Old January 21 2009, 02:56 AM   #25
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That's a darn good theory. I like that. In fact, it also explains an internal continuity error, of why Archer's Enterprise isn't represented on the Rec Room panel in the refurbed NCC-1701. It's a simple and elegant view that fits with the known 'facts', as presented by the shows and movies.
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Old January 21 2009, 04:48 AM   #26
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Thanks. I had always hoped there would be a scene with Archer and Trip in which the Captain explains that it was Cochrane who suggested to Archer's father that the NX-01 should be called Enterprise. I always imagined it occurring over dinner in the Captain's ready room.
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Old January 22 2009, 12:50 AM   #27
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Re: Abrams: Trek Fans Will Be Happy With New Film

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I know that.



I'm talking about within the context of the Star Trek universe itself, since ENT has been ret-conned into the timeline.
That's okay, so was I.

Maybe some day Pocket books will publish a miniseries exploring the subject. Say, have Archer as the janitor on the SS ENDEAVOR, or Or Phlox as the Chief Medical Officer of the Denoublan Empire, or Trip as the biggest lowlife jerk in all existence.

Oh, wait, the show already did that.....

Well, you get my meaning.
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Old January 23 2009, 01:13 AM   #28
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I'm guessing that you're referring to In a Mirror, Darkly?

Or do you mean the entire series?

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Old January 23 2009, 02:25 AM   #29
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If you mean my comments on Trip, yeah, the entire series.

I always hated that bozo. And I STILL wish that Reed had been the third prominent character instead of Trip.

Oh well.
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Old January 24 2009, 02:00 AM   #30
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I always hated that bozo. And I STILL wish that Reed had been the third prominent character instead of Trip.

Then maybe he would've got to play with T'Pol's bum.


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