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Old June 20 2012, 09:20 AM   #916
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I hope you're right, but quality and success are two different things. NuTrek was a phenomenon, too, and that was completely uninspired, as well as badly written.
Oh my god.

That's three total people on this board who agree that NuTrek's problems are it's own faults, not teh kanon.
Oh, yeah, there's no need to worry about it being a bad Star Trek movie-- it's just a bad movie.

I'm surprised there's even three....
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Old June 20 2012, 09:38 AM   #917
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I hope you're right, but quality and success are two different things. NuTrek was a phenomenon, too, and that was completely uninspired, as well as badly written.
Oh my god.

That's three total people on this board who agree that NuTrek's problems are it's own faults, not teh kanon.
Oh, yeah, there's no need to worry about it being a bad Star Trek movie-- it's just a bad movie.

I'm surprised there's even three....
Oh give it up Star Trek was not a bad movie. It was certainly better than the majority of Trek films to date.
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Old June 20 2012, 09:50 AM   #918
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Oh give it up Star Trek was not a bad movie. It was certainly better than the majority of Trek films to date.
No. And I'm sure there are more than three around here.
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Old June 20 2012, 01:29 PM   #919
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Oh give it up Star Trek was not a bad movie. It was certainly better than the majority of Trek films to date.
No. And I'm sure there are more than three around here.
*raises hand* Four!
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Old June 20 2012, 01:39 PM   #920
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Oh give it up Star Trek was not a bad movie. It was certainly better than the majority of Trek films to date.
No. And I'm sure there are more than three around here.
*raises hand* Four!
I feel sorry for you. To hate something so fun so much that you can't stop talking about it and threadcrapping about it. If I don't like something I don't waste my time talking about or even thinking about it. i certainly don't take every opportunity to bring it up. Even in threads that have nothing remotely about them.
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Old June 20 2012, 02:05 PM   #921
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^^^Please, stop with the passive-aggressive pretend-pity party. The problem people who don't like Abrams doltish vision of the origin of the Kirk/Spock friendship is that it means there will never be another Trek series or movie that is any good.

That's worth some lamentation. It's not bad taste on our part, it's sorrow. Yes, that implies the bad taste is on your part, but, hey, I watched the damn movie and there's not much way to be diplomatic. I do the best I can with what I've got to work with.
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Old June 20 2012, 04:18 PM   #922
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^^^Please, stop with the passive-aggressive pretend-pity party. The problem people who don't like Abrams doltish vision of the origin of the Kirk/Spock friendship is that it means there will never be another Trek series or movie that is any good.

That's worth some lamentation. It's not bad taste on our part, it's sorrow. Yes, that implies the bad taste is on your part, but, hey, I watched the damn movie and there's not much way to be diplomatic. I do the best I can with what I've got to work with.
Yes, liking any movie is a matter of taste. The problem comes in when we begin judging one another for their taste in movies.
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Old June 20 2012, 05:47 PM   #923
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Oh give it up Star Trek was not a bad movie. It was certainly better than the majority of Trek films to date.
No. And I'm sure there are more than three around here.
*raises hand* Four!
Five!

[squints at stj's post] Or is that six?

Honestly, I enjoyed the story except for three plot points:

  • the extraordinary coincidence of Kirk, Old Spock, and Scotty being marooned on the same planet within walking distance of each other;
  • the idea that jettisoning and detonating the warp cores would do something the warp engines couldn't;
  • handing Kirk the Enterprise fresh out of the Academy with only one success under his belt.
As it is, it was a fun, dumb adventure. A bit like Battleship, which I also had problems with, but enjoyed.
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Old June 20 2012, 07:39 PM   #924
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No. And I'm sure there are more than three around here.
*raises hand* Four!
I feel sorry for you. To hate something so fun so much that you can't stop talking about it and threadcrapping about it. If I don't like something I don't waste my time talking about or even thinking about it. i certainly don't take every opportunity to bring it up. Even in threads that have nothing remotely about them.
Thank heaven there is someone out there in netland who is SO MUCH better than me!

Thank you for feeling sorry for me. It's rare that such a superior being would lower themselves to feel compassion for someone so clearly undeserving.

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Old June 20 2012, 09:09 PM   #925
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No. And I'm sure there are more than three around here.
*raises hand* Four!
I feel sorry for you. To hate something so fun so much that you can't stop talking about it and threadcrapping about it. If I don't like something I don't waste my time talking about or even thinking about it. i certainly don't take every opportunity to bring it up. Even in threads that have nothing remotely about them.
Thank you for your pity. That said we didn't raise the issue. We were talking about John Carter and someone else raised ST09. When they said there were only three people around here objecting to ST09 we simply added ourselves to the count.

We're up to six or seven now, right?
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Old June 20 2012, 09:10 PM   #926
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Yes, liking any movie is a matter of taste. The problem comes in when we begin judging one another for their taste in movies.
I feel sorry for you. It must be terrible to be so haunted by such fear of inadequacy that a fan bitching about a terrible movie that you personally like makes you feel "judged."

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Five!

[squints at stj's post] Or is that six?

Honestly, I enjoyed the story except for three plot points:

  • the extraordinary coincidence of Kirk, Old Spock, and Scotty being marooned on the same planet within walking distance of each other;
  • the idea that jettisoning and detonating the warp cores would do something the warp engines couldn't;
  • handing Kirk the Enterprise fresh out of the Academy with only one success under his belt.
As it is, it was a fun, dumb adventure. A bit like Battleship, which I also had problems with, but enjoyed.
You liked it a lot more than I did, so I'd say I make the fifth one.
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Old June 20 2012, 09:11 PM   #927
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Re: "John Carter of Mars" Moving Ahead!

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*raises hand* Four!
I feel sorry for you. To hate something so fun so much that you can't stop talking about it and threadcrapping about it. If I don't like something I don't waste my time talking about or even thinking about it. i certainly don't take every opportunity to bring it up. Even in threads that have nothing remotely about them.
Thank you for your pity. That said we didn't raise the issue. We were talking about John Carter and someone else raised ST09. When they said there were only three people around here objecting to ST09 we simply added ourselves to the count.

We're up to six or seven now, right?
Actually, I think only 3 or 4 of you chimed in, so, you gotta subtract the originally stated 3 from that
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Old June 20 2012, 09:20 PM   #928
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I feel sorry for you. To hate something so fun so much that you can't stop talking about it and threadcrapping about it. If I don't like something I don't waste my time talking about or even thinking about it. i certainly don't take every opportunity to bring it up. Even in threads that have nothing remotely about them.
Thank you for your pity. That said we didn't raise the issue. We were talking about John Carter and someone else raised ST09. When they said there were only three people around here objecting to ST09 we simply added ourselves to the count.

We're up to six or seven now, right?
Actually, I think only 3 or 4 of you chimed in, so, you gotta subtract the originally stated 3 from that
Oh, well I didn't automatically assume I was one of the three.
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Old June 20 2012, 09:38 PM   #929
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I honestly didn't think that remark would stir up as much vitriol (and butthurt) as it did. That's the reason I stopped talking about NuTrek/ST09 shortly after release.

"My Bad."

Let's return to the discussion about a semi-lame version of John Carter OF MOTHERFLIPPIN' MARS.
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Old June 20 2012, 10:37 PM   #930
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Yes, liking any movie is a matter of taste. The problem comes in when we begin judging one another for their taste in movies.
I feel sorry for you. It must be terrible to be so haunted by such fear of inadequacy that a fan bitching about a terrible movie that you personally like makes you feel "judged."
I didn't mean that at all!! Far from it. My statement was not intended to be perceived as any type of an attack. I apologize if I was not clear enough. So I will restate it.

Movies are a personal preference. I have no problem when people hate a particular movie or love a particular movie.

I don't think we should bash people based on their preferences.

I don't think a person should be bashed if they hate a movie
I don't think a person should be bashed for liking a movie.

I hope that was clearer.
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