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Old January 15 2009, 10:47 AM   #1
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The Latest on the Batman

I am going to put everything behind a spoiler tag because I am touching on subject matter that was only released yesterday. If you are a comic book fan and have been wondering just what the current story lines have been leading to and haven't made it to the comic shop yet, DO NOT LOOK AT THE SPOILER! I would hate to actually ruin the story for a dedicated fan and collector. And now...


ETA: And if you are going to avoid my info behind the spoiler tag, definitely do NOT scroll down this page to read some of the comments. It seems that the idea and use of the spoiler tag has not yet spread to everyone here at this forum. And they are posting rather blatant spoilers outside of a tag and just stating there will be spoilers and spacing down a few lines. If this has diminished the story for you in any way, I do apologize. This was not my intent as I even went to the trouble of making the thread title spoiler-free.
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Old January 15 2009, 11:20 AM   #2
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Worst. Comic. Ever.

I wonder why do I stil bother to read the crapfest that is DC?
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Old January 15 2009, 11:20 AM   #3
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yeah, I read the issue in question today. I made the foolish mistake of not reading the 2 follow up issues of Batman (682 and 683) before reading FC #6 (really wish I had, events would have made some sense and had some impact.)

SPOILERS PAST THIS POINT:



Marvel drove me away with Civil War. DC just drove me away with Final Crisis.

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Old January 15 2009, 11:44 AM   #4
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sithlord, you really ought to put the bulk of your post behind a spoiler tag. I went to the effort not to spill any details outside the spoiler tag in the OP as well as the thread title. You have just blown that with your post. Please be considerate to those who have not yet made it to the comic shop, no matter what you may think of the story.

But I do agree that I find Grant Morrison's work on Batman and Final Crisis lacking. It is like it is an idea he has had for several years, and gone over it time and again. Only when it came time to actually tell the story after his long set-up for it, it is like he expects us to know his mental notes that have been floating in his head the last few years and he forgets to put it all down on paper in the book. Bendis is guilty of the same crap over at Marvel.



ETA: Thanks sithlord!
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Old January 15 2009, 11:46 AM   #5
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Spoilers......



I flipped through this issue at the comic book store yesterday. I don't think Batman's dead. Yeah, Supes was holding a corpse with a bat outfit on, but I'm sure the writers will come up with some way to explain that.

I've been very disappointed, no vexed by Batman RIP. The artwork was good for the most part, the villians were interesting, but the story just went off the rails. And then to not even have Batman's 'end' in RIP, but to place it into FC was even stranger.
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Old January 15 2009, 01:19 PM   #6
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I was questioning since Grant Morrison and Geoff Johns have been said to be working closely on Final Crisis and the books that tie into it if there is...

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Old January 15 2009, 01:28 PM   #7
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I was questioning since Grant Morrison and Geoff Johns have been said to be working closely on Final Crisis and the books that tie into it if there is...


Well, considering that
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Old January 15 2009, 01:41 PM   #8
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I was questioning since Grant Morrison and Geoff Johns have been said to be working closely on Final Crisis and the books that tie into it if there is...


Well, considering that
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Old January 15 2009, 01:42 PM   #9
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After reading these spoilers (I'm about 2 weeks behind on books), I'm wondering if it's time to unsubscribe from the Bat-titles again and just wait a while before things get back to a point where I'll care about them again.

Edit: To clarify what I mean by the above - I want Bat-stories that involve Batman and Robin (sometimes Nightwing, Batgirl etc.) fighting crime and solving mysteries in Gotham City. Throw in some traps, great fight scenes, gadgetry etc. for a good mix. I know that may sound outdated but that's the Batman I grew up enjoying.
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Old January 15 2009, 05:50 PM   #10
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I'm confused by the pages posted at the link in the first post. It appears that two different books are portraying the same event in mutually contradictory ways. Are these supposed to be slightly alternate realities, or is there just a lack of authorial/editorial coordination between titles?
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Old January 15 2009, 06:02 PM   #11
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I'm confused by the pages posted at the link in the first post. It appears that two different books are portraying the same event in mutually contradictory ways. Are these supposed to be slightly alternate realities, or is there just a lack of authorial/editorial coordination between titles?
The Nightwing issue takes place in between Batman 681 and Final Crisis 6. Post-Batman 681, most everyone thinks Batman is dead. Batman 683 reveals that he's not(and leads into Final Crisis). He's just gone deep underground. Nightwing, Robin, and a few others are trying to pick up the pieces in Gotham without Batman around. So, yes, the two things don't match, because Nightwing is reacting to Batman's absence, not the (somewhat later) events of Final Crisis 6.
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Old January 15 2009, 08:39 PM   #12
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No, I'm not talking about Nightwing's reactions. That's from the second link, which I haven't looked at yet. I'm only talking about the first link. It has the cover and six pages from an issue of Final Crisis, and below those is a page from "Grant Morrison's JLA run." These both show
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Old January 15 2009, 09:08 PM   #13
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Really? that's how Batman "dies"? in some cosmic gobbledygook universe storytelling? really? BATMAN?



Man, monthly comic books are so fuckin stupid sometimes
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Old January 15 2009, 09:12 PM   #14
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In my opinion it's all been a huge set-up for the upcoming Black Lantern Corps ever since they added R.I.P. in there. It couldn't be more blatantly obvious, especially since it was foreshadowed with the Sinestro Corps when the Batman was approached by one of those power rings. I mean they all but basically flat-outl you this when Darkseid reveals what he's about to do the deed with in the above clip.

If they really wanted to be as clever as they think they're being, they would have done this quite some time ago long before they ever let slip the idea of the Black Lanterns. As it stands now, it's truly, truly painful watching this <sarcasm>brilliant and wholly unexpected idea</sarcasm> unfold.
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Old January 15 2009, 09:14 PM   #15
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Morrison's JLA run was from several years ago. And yes, it does seem he reuses plot points doesn't it? Or maybe he forgot? The way the story reads as I described up thread, these ideas have been floating around in his head for a long time. And if his scatter-brain plotting can't remember to put down all the details of a story, it is possible that he has forgotten he had tapped those ideas once before. A good editor would have caught the similarity between the two stories, but it seems both DC and Marvel's editorial staff these days are really just glorified traffic cops between the various creators and not true editors. At least regarding their "big name" creators who are given carte blanch to tell their story any way they like and then leave it to their successor on the book to weed through all of it, retcon the crap out and try to make sense of the rest.
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