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Old July 11 2014, 03:03 PM   #1111
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Old July 11 2014, 06:41 PM   #1112
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*shrugs* I think it's pretty. It has a very "painterly" look, if that makes any sense. And for all we know (from the very, very short sneak peeks we've seen), that might be exactly the visual sensibility that Dennis and the F/X team are going for with this movie.

I hope you're able to strike a distro deal. I know I can't wait to see more!
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Old July 11 2014, 08:31 PM   #1113
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The "painterly," 1950s-plus-a-little look is exactly what I want, but that doesn't mean that there aren't still possible issues with the way it's come together here. I'm pretty happy with it right now but if there are things like color matching and some movement of the elements against one another that are apparent to others on first or second look, that's useful to know.

I do appreciate specific criticism. At least when I'm fully clothed.
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Old July 11 2014, 08:38 PM   #1114
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*shrugs* I think it's pretty. It has a very "painterly" look, if that makes any sense. And for all we know (from the very, very short sneak peeks we've seen), that might be exactly the visual sensibility that Dennis and the F/X team are going for with this movie.

I hope you're able to strike a distro deal. I know I can't wait to see more!
I suspect the average viewer just goes with the flow and gets caught up with it. Northstar makes some good points I suppose but I didn't notice any flaws on the initial viewing.
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Old July 11 2014, 08:43 PM   #1115
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Well, the foreground is brighter and yellower than the background which is dimmer and bluer, so if you know about that, then that's the biggest issue jumping out I have with it. It almost looks like the sun has already set on the background, but it's still up on the foreground.
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Old July 11 2014, 08:43 PM   #1116
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I suspect the average viewer just goes with the flow and gets caught up with it. Northstar makes some good points I suppose but I didn't notice any flaws on the initial viewing.
Neither did I, but I'm painfully aware that I don't have the best eye for this sort of thing. Other people spot things in VFX that I never would.

Good thing I don't do effects work.
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Old July 11 2014, 08:46 PM   #1117
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Well, the foreground is brighter and yellower than the background which is dimmer and bluer, so if you know about that, then that's the biggest issue jumping out I have with it. It almost looks like the sun has already set on the background, but it's still up on the foreground.
It's a binary star system. Didn't you get the memo? (Just kidding.) I have no idea what alien worlds look like so it seems fine to me.
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Old July 11 2014, 10:27 PM   #1118
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Re the galaxy. You wouldn't see stars in orbital shots, either, and rarely does anyone complain about that. Artistic license to establish where we are (and how far from home).

As to the landscape, I won't get into the particulars other than to say the color difference between foreground and background is intentional, and at least a little based on some photos I took in the Valley of Fire, where there's red stone in one area and hills and mountains of completely different composition not far away. Whether the balance is correct at the moment is another question.
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Old July 11 2014, 10:33 PM   #1119
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Re the galaxy. I saw that as a sort of "title card" before the actual footage. It didn't seem odd to me at all.
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Old July 12 2014, 02:27 AM   #1120
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Overall I think it looks pretty good. Since you're interested in first impressions, though, here are some comments I have to offer:

1. I like the way the shot opens on the galaxy, sort of the "title card" effect Duane referred to. I also agree with Maurice that creative license applies to how vivid it appears in the sky; however, it might be a nice touch to fade in the blue sky on top of it as the camera pulls back and tilts down. I'm thinking there might have been a similar transition with the Death Star above the moon of Endor in Return of the Jedi.

2. There's a subtle lens flare that seems to be coming off the bright center of the galaxy but I question whether you would get such a flare off such a large and diffuse object, particularly through atmosphere.

3. The lander looks great but it desperately needs a more obvious sharp-edged shadow falling to the right to match the bright sunlight from the left and the shadows cast by the people walking around and other live action elements.

4. The edges of the separate elements, especially the midground ridge lines, are noticeably blurry. The ridge in the foreground toward the end of the shot is an exception.

5. Speaking of that foreground ridge, if there's any way possible to get rid of it, I would do so. I assume it's being used to hide the lower halves of the people on the left or the one person who walks out of view behind it that were not captured in the original footage, so maybe it isn't possible. Problem is, the way that shot is composed, it almost seems as though the camera is centering and focusing in on the foreground ridge as though something momentous is about to happen there but never actually does. The first time I watched it, I didn't even look at the crashed ship because that big lump of dirt seemed to be demanding all the attention. Maybe you could have the camera zoom in right at the end on a tighter shot of the group of people below the crashed ship and the ship itself.

Just my two or three cents worth.
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Old July 12 2014, 02:59 AM   #1121
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The galaxy stays.

Zooming in would be a digital zoom only and would get blurry really fast. What you see is how big the actors are in the actual frame.

I agree about the flare. It should be coming off the lander, not the galaxy.
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Old July 12 2014, 03:11 AM   #1122
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The problem with getting rid of the foreground is: it's really there on location. We're stuck with it.
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Old July 12 2014, 04:14 AM   #1123
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The galaxy stays.
I wasn't suggesting fading it out entirely, just bringing in the atmospheric haze after the first few seconds almost as if the camera is literally pulling back all the way from orbit to the surface of the planet. But it was just a thought.

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The problem with getting rid of the foreground is: it's really there on location. We're stuck with it.
Are you? The two guys on the left in the final frame are fully visible a little earlier and they're basically standing still. You could probably superimpose their legs over the rest of the shot and no one would ever notice at this distance. The guy on the right who's walking away from the camera and disappears behind the foreground ridge could probably be painted out entirely if you don't mind losing him in this one shot. The entire foreground could be painted out along with him and replaced with a less distracting patch of desert floor to match what's already there.

Mind you, this is all coming from someone with only a rudimentary knowledge of the technical requirements of accomplishing what I'm suggesting, so take it for what it's worth. I find that foreground ridge to be a real detraction from the true focal point of the shot (the crashed ship), but maybe that's just me.
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Old July 24 2014, 02:52 AM   #1124
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I suspect the average viewer just goes with the flow and gets caught up with it. Northstar makes some good points I suppose but I didn't notice any flaws on the initial viewing.
I fully understand Northstar's ponts. The 'unreal' appearance of the galaxyis the first thing I noticed about this. I already discussed that with Maurice, Dennis, etc. So I won't rehash those comments.

I will add that 'artistic licences' is apropos in the sense that the sky looks like a mural (or a matte painting).

For a similarly inspired scene but intended to be realistic I suggest the final scene from "The Quiet Earth".
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Old July 25 2014, 03:25 AM   #1125
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My reaction to all of this is... wow, NASA has totally spoiled us! We know so much more what other worlds look like in photos than we did in the 1950s and 1960s... it's not just CGI, it's the viewer's knowledge.
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