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Old December 12 2008, 12:18 PM   #1
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Bob Orci on Start Trek, timelines, canon and everything (SPOILERS)

Interesting Q&A over at Trekmovie. Pretty much confirms a lot of what we've been thinking the past weeks

The full thing can be read here http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-...-real-science/

A brief summary of the interview.

Q: Why do some things appear different in the new Star Trek movie?
A: There is an alternative timeline created by Nero traveling back in time.

Q: Is everything different in the alternative timeline?
A: No, some things remain the same.

Q: Does this alternative timeline wipe out the original timeline (from TOS -Nemesis)?
A: No, quantum theory says they both co-exist.

Q: Does the original timeline continue?
A: Yes, again as explained by quantum theory.

Q: Does this quantum theory approach conform to ‘Trek science?’
A: Depends on the episode, but it is explicitly cited by Data in the episode “Parallels.”
I found this answer quite funny:

Anthony: So everyone in the prime timeline, like Picard and Riker, are still off doing there thing, it is just that Nero is gone.



Bob: Yes, and you will notice that whenever the movie comes out, that whatever DVDs you have purchased, will continue to exist.
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Old December 12 2008, 12:27 PM   #2
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FINALLY. Perhaps now the canon cry babies will shut the hell up.
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Old December 12 2008, 12:28 PM   #3
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I found this answer quite funny:

Anthony: So everyone in the prime timeline, like Picard and Riker, are still off doing there thing, it is just that Nero is gone.



Bob: Yes, and you will notice that whenever the movie comes out, that whatever DVDs you have purchased, will continue to exist.
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Old December 12 2008, 12:48 PM   #4
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Ya gotta love that quantum multi-verse.
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Old December 12 2008, 01:02 PM   #5
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I'm now sick of reading the words 'quantum mechanics'.

Could the interviewer have asked the same question any more times? Orci must have been pulling his hair out at having to go on about the exact same thing with each question.
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Old December 12 2008, 01:03 PM   #6
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Re: Orci on Start Trek, timelines, canon and everything (SPOILERS)

So it's not an origins story then. It's about a completely different set of characters in a completely different Star Trek universe. They may as well have just given the characters different names, (including the ship).

I also heard that in this alternate universe, hamburgers eat people!
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Old December 12 2008, 01:09 PM   #7
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So it's not an origins story then. It's about a completely different set of characters in a completely different Star Trek universe. They may as well have just given the characters different names, (including the ship).

I also heard that in this alternate universe, hamburgers eat people!
Bitter, much?
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Old December 12 2008, 01:11 PM   #8
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So it's not an origins story then. It's about a completely different set of characters in a completely different Star Trek universe. They may as well have just given the characters different names, (including the ship).

I also heard that in this alternate universe, hamburgers eat people!
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Old December 12 2008, 01:17 PM   #9
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So it's not an origins story then. It's about a completely different set of characters
No...read again


Anthony: So the big question is: Is the destruction of the Kelvin, the canon reason why everything is different?

Bob: It is the reason why some things are different, but not everything is different.

Not everything is inconsistent with what might have actually happened, in canon.

Some of the things that seem that they are totally different, I will argue, once the film comes out, fall well within what could have been the non-time travel version of this move.


Anthony: So, for example, Kirk is different, because his back story has totally changed, in that his parents…and all that. But you are saying that maybe Scotty or Spock’s back story would not be affected by that change?


Bob: Right.
He doesn't say what happens with hamburgers though... We'll have to wait until May for that

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FINALLY. Perhaps now the canon cry babies will shut the hell up.
highly unlikely. I expect even more violated childhoods coming.
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Ya gotta love that quantum multi-verse.
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So it's not an origins story then. It's about a completely different set of characters in a completely different Star Trek universe. They may as well have just given the characters different names, (including the ship).

I also heard that in this alternate universe, hamburgers eat people!
Bitter, much?
There was nothing bitter about my comments. They were quite reasonable responses to the interview.

It's not going to be an alternate universe? They aren't going to be completely different characters? This isn't a completely different ship?

Did we just read a different interview above?

The hamburger statement on the other hand was my flippant view on alternate timeline stories. That and my fear of hamburgers turning on their masters!
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Old December 12 2008, 01:33 PM   #11
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Re: Orci on Start Trek, timelines, canon and everything (SPOILERS)

You know, to be honest, I get what they were trying to do with the "alternate universe\some things change because of time travel" thing.

But I don't really like it, that they chose to explain the visual or other changes and deviations from canon like this.

I would prefer they had not tried to reconcile things at all.
I would prefer they had gone the way of "It's a movie made in 2008-9 and we simply decided to update the old designs and simply disregard or change some canon facts. Deal with it."

Oh well...Still looking forward to May
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You know, to be honest, I get what they were trying to do with the "alternate universe\some things change because of time travel" thing.

But I don't really like it, that they chose to explain the visual or other changes and deviations from canon like this.

I would prefer they had not tried to reconcile things at all.
I would prefer they had gone the way of "It's a movie made in 2008-9 and we simply decided to update the old designs and simply disregard or change some canon facts. Deal with it."
I would have preferred this too. I dunno, this really dampens my enthusiasm a bit. Just seems like an easy out to me.
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Old December 12 2008, 01:40 PM   #13
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Patrickivan wrote: View Post
So it's not an origins story then. It's about a completely different set of characters in a completely different Star Trek universe. They may as well have just given the characters different names, (including the ship).

I also heard that in this alternate universe, hamburgers eat people!
Bitter, much?
There was nothing bitter about my comments. They were quite reasonable responses to the interview.

It's not going to be an alternate universe? They aren't going to be completely different characters? This isn't a completely different ship?

Did we just read a different interview above?

The hamburger statement on the other hand was my flippant view on alternate timeline stories. That and my fear of hamburgers turning on their masters!
Yes, you read a different interview.

These are the same characters. Because of intervention from the future, they are forced to zig when they should have zagged, hence the parallel universe/parallel adventures. Its not rocket science.
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Old December 12 2008, 01:43 PM   #14
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I also wonder if any of this is influenced by the fact that the movie and TV rights lie in different hands. If there is a new show, is it possible it'll be set in the 'original' quantum reality?

I know, a new series, if there ever is one, is likely a long way off. Still, it makes me wonder.
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Old December 12 2008, 01:55 PM   #15
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These aren't the precious canon cry babies characters now, they're alternate versions. Why continue crying? Your Kirk is happily chugging along in the other timeline.
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