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Old May 1 2009, 03:15 AM   #16
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Re: Star Trek; Starfleet Academy

Jeyl: You're right, I've never seen Moribito. But I'm monumentally unimpressed with anime style. The ridiculous doe eyes alone make me want to barf! Even though I like early anime like Speed Racer and even Starblazers, I really have an intense dislilke of that unrealistic, unnatural style where peoples' mouths are twisted into toothsome maws! -- RR
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Old May 2 2009, 02:21 AM   #17
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Re: Star Trek; Starfleet Academy

Starfleet Academy could work as long as:

-it's live action (animating it, whatever style, would be such a waste)
-the characters are depicted in a grownup fashion without a whiff of teen angst
-they spend at least 2/3 of the time off Earth
As always, the human will be the leader of the group,
Nah, mix it up for a change: make a non-human the main character. It's high time.
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Old May 2 2009, 08:06 AM   #18
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Not a bad idea. In the past, ST has handled young cadets poorly, as in Wesley's character in TNG. I think the times they best portrayed cadets or young officers was with, ironically, Nog, the first Ferengi in Starfleet. Talk about a massive change, from scrounging thief to groundbreaking cadet to field promoted ensign, and eventually, to lieutenant, j.g.

Also, the TNG eps Lower Decks and The First Duty are the other best uses of young cadets/young officers. Red Squad was intriguing, but they kind of messed them up on that DSN ep that was half Lord of the Flies and half Mutiny on the Bounty.

I like your imperfectly genetically engineered character best. And hey, first Cardassian in Starfleet opens up all kinds of possibilities, esp. if set right after the war with the Dominion. I'm sure there are some cadets who had family who died in the war and might not warmly receive a Cardassian. It would be cool if the character was yet another bastard child of Gul Dukat's, as he seemed to be leaving his seed everywhere he went in the Alpha Quadrant!

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Thanks for getting it.

About Masumi Ito: I was thinking she'd be like Margret Cho somewhat (in fact, Margret Cho could do the voice!)

Jandara, the bastard child of Dukat? Why not? I love iti And yes, that's exactly what I was going for with her.

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Old May 3 2009, 07:09 PM   #19
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Wow. It's amazing how quickly this debate became about whether anime-style animation is popular and didn't bother to address the real problem with the idea-the same problem with every academy idea concept-which is it's about kids going to school!

The thing that boggles my mind is that people complain about "one ship, one crew" ideas, "fall of the federation" ideas, whatever, but this idea, which is just "Space Academy" with a Star Trek brand on it, is the one that that needs to die a horrible screaming death, but people are always like "Well, it could work if..."

AAAAAAAGH!
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Old May 5 2009, 03:30 AM   #20
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Re: Star Trek; Starfleet Academy

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"Space Academy" with a Star Trek brand on it, is the one that that needs to die a horrible screaming death, but people are always like "Well, it could work if..."
It could. Anything is possible. After all, making a Star Trek movie about whales worked just fine.

Don't worry Dusty. You have my support on this.
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Old May 5 2009, 05:57 AM   #21
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it's about kids going to school!
That could work well for an animated series... particularly if it was targeted to the younger crowd.
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Old May 6 2009, 02:48 PM   #22
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it's about kids going to school!
That could work well for an animated series... particularly if it was targeted to the younger crowd.
That's who I'm targeting this show towards-the next generation of Trekkers! With new characters, not new actors playing the legendary crew of TOS-to paraphrase Alexander in the episode 'Plato's Stepchildren'-"Forward, forward in our plan/We proceed as we began."
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Old June 7 2010, 06:01 PM   #23
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The Academy Years

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Second time's the charm for my posting of this concept, hopefully.

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy-TAS

PLOT/CONCEPT: The famous training institution,and the young people who inhabit it. The show will center on a core of freshmen (about 6 youths) training to be future officers and crew members in Starfleet-their hopes, dreams, aspirations, successes, and failures.
Would this be similar to
Harve Bennett's unproduced Starfleet Academy script (titled Star Trek The Academy Years)

As Harve said:
we had not only a script, called The Academy Years, we had a green light, which is a "Go" to picture. When the administration in Paramount changed in '89, and the new administration insisted that we have a picture with Nimoy and Shatner in it, we wanted it to be about teenage Kirk and teenage Spock in the Academy.
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Old June 8 2010, 06:43 PM   #24
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same problem with every academy idea concept-which is it's about kids going to school!
How about this, same cast of youthful characters, but change the setting. Make them senior midshipmen assigned to a one ship or have them as a group moving between many ships. The commissioned officers are peripheral characters, rarely seen. Show the "kids" carrying out mission from the ship, not from the academy. They still have a lot to learn, sometimes the lessons come hard won.

Option two, similar to above, except they're resent graduates.
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Old June 9 2010, 03:33 AM   #25
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ANIMATION STYLE: Let's face it, anime is the style that's popular now, and in order to get viewers, a style similar to anime (think Teen Titans) would be the way to go. While the show will be that way, it won't have all the trappings of anime; no large drop of water from the head or anything like that, more something along the lines of Cowboy Bebop.
Any evidence to support this idea that anime styling is very popular? Adult Swim shows anime and those shows get mostly shit for ratings.
I don't want Star Trek to be any sort of animation.

Oh, and to play the pendantic Trekkie:

George Washington Carter: The self-appointed leader of the group, he is an Afro Canadian from Toronto,
Canada doesn't exist.
It's amazing how quickly this debate became about whether anime-style animation is popular and didn't bother to address the real problem with the idea-the same problem with every academy idea concept-which is it's about kids going to school!
I don't see that as a problem, especially since the school is college level, and the students are not children.
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Old September 30 2010, 12:24 AM   #26
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Even if it were a live-action series...

I'll borrow a quote from this thread What channel should a new Trek TV series be on? today:
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Why does the Starfleet Academy idea get such a bad wrap from fans? I
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I think the problem is fans hear young Kirk/Spock or even just Starfleet Academy + CW and think young Clark Kent on Smallville.
Even if it were to go ahead and aim at a younger demographic audience (under 25) a pilot and say half a dozen episodes before it would start airing. Once the fan feedback came in not liking many things the producers would start making changes but we are talking about episode 12 before seeing a lot of changes. For a 22-26 episode season on broadcast TV that's too much of a change for season 1.

Trek would work better in a 12 or 13 episode format and no matter the type of story (Starfleet Academy or not) need to stick with it regardless of fan mail. The producers need some balls to stick to their guts.

How about if it were marketed and publicized that the next Trek TV series was in development and it would be based on cadets at Starfleet Academy.
If they actually waited and watched all of the fan websites and read the viewer feedback they could make a show that would go along with what a lot of the fans really want before the pilot even goes into pre-production.
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Old October 3 2010, 01:19 AM   #27
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How about if it were marketed and publicized that the next Trek TV series was in development and it would be based on cadets at Starfleet Academy.
If they actually waited and watched all of the fan websites and read the viewer feedback they could make a show that would go along with what a lot of the fans really want before the pilot even goes into pre-production.
If a show was based on what fans wanted it would alienate 90% of the non-fans and never have a shot at a large enough audience to survive. Also, fans can't even agree on what they want. Just look at the split betweens fans who loved the Abrams movie and those who hated it.

What Star Trek needs is a new producer with balls to create his vision and stick to it despite what some fans on the internet say.
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Old October 3 2010, 09:47 PM   #28
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Re: Star Trek; Starfleet Academy

A TV producer should just do what Abrams did: understand what is the core of Trek (it's not that complex or restrictive when you whittle it down to the essentials) and build a kick-ass story around that.

Of course, the slam-bang action approach that works in a movie would have to be amended for TV. You couldn't afford as much action but could more than compensate for it with deft storylines, characterization and dialogue.

A TV producer shouldn't have an "original" vision but rather should take the existing vision of Star Trek and create something (most) fans and the general public will appreciate.
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Old October 5 2010, 03:59 PM   #29
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Rather than rehashing this I'm just going to quote myself here--

I think we all know where a series based on the academy would go... Trek Teens With Problems! Sorry, I will veto any idea that centers around this unless given some interesting background. Odd because I have a cache in my brain of certain teen dramas that I do have respect for... but adding Trek into the mix just feels disrespectful.

Which makes me stop and go 'why must Trek canon be respected' when so many of the series were way out in left field at the time... So... there's hope for that gem in the rough if someone were to really give it the careful attention it would need to be something other than the Scooby gang in space.
Meanwhile, on the topic of anime conventions versus anime television ratings... You can't compare the two. Mainstream television viewers (the majority) do not go to conventions. Conventions are for hobbyists, fans (as in already invested in the content), and other people who have more than a cursory introduction to whatever's going on. When you introduce a television program to the mainstream audience, they aren't making any effort to receive the program other than switching the channel over from Comedy Central.
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Old October 8 2010, 01:43 PM   #30
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There is a good anime scifi tv series that I like. It was Mugen No Ryvius / Infinite Ryvius. A Japanese cartoon about teenegers / cadets who trapped in a mysterious starship and struggle to save their live from themselves. It is good, as although animated, but the plot is enjoyable to adults.

Soooo, I think, Star Trek Academy is a good idea for the next series. But, even when the Anime is good, I prefer Live Action.
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