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Old December 14 2008, 09:35 PM   #1
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Best and Worst Clones

Cloning is a plot device that has been used a lot in genre works. In your opinion who or what have been the best and worst clones in the genre-comics, literature, film, TV, etc.?

Examples:

Luuke Skywalker-Thrawn Trilogy
Crichton's clone-Farscape
Ben Reilly-Spider-Man
Shinzon-ST: Nemesis
Rico-Judge Dredd movie
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Old December 14 2008, 09:37 PM   #2
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I sincerely hope nobody's putting Ben Reilly in the "best" category.

How about Carson Beckett in Stargate: Atlantis ?
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Old December 14 2008, 09:43 PM   #3
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I think Crichton was handled the best of all the clones I'm aware of. They almost always treated them both as individuals and real people. Hell, it's been so long since I've watched the series that I can't even remember which one survived or if they even established which was the original.

The worst are pretty much any story that implies that a typical clone (ie, vat-grown rather than someone splitting into two) is somehow the exact same person as the original. That they somehow stole their soul because someone downloaded a few memories into their head, or that they magically know what the other is thinking and planning. Shinzon and Schwarzenegger in that one God-awful film are prime examples.
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Old December 14 2008, 10:09 PM   #4
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X-23 is a well-done alternate take/commentary on Wolverine's origin, reversing the idea of Logan having to overcome his programming; instead, the question is what is there beside the programming (the answer so far is "something, but not a whole lot").
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Old December 14 2008, 10:23 PM   #5
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Crichton was interesting because both Crichtons were clones, technically speaking. The original Crichton died in that episode where the two clones emerged.

Also let's not forget the wonderful Weyoun clones, particularly in "Treachery, Faith and the Great River."

Hell, it's been so long since I've watched the series that I can't even remember which one survived or if they even established which was the original.
Neither was original. And I can't remember which survived either! I certainly remember his death scene but not if it was Talyn John or Moya John.
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Old December 14 2008, 11:08 PM   #6
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Null ARC clone troops in the Republic Commando novels are the best.

all other Clone troops are second.

Weyoun in all incarnations is third.
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Old December 14 2008, 11:49 PM   #7
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Temis the Red-Nosed Vorta wrote: View Post
Crichton was interesting because both Crichtons were clones, technically speaking. The original Crichton died in that episode where the two clones emerged.

Also let's not forget the wonderful Weyoun clones, particularly in "Treachery, Faith and the Great River."

Hell, it's been so long since I've watched the series that I can't even remember which one survived or if they even established which was the original.
Neither was original. And I can't remember which survived either! I certainly remember his death scene but not if it was Talyn John or Moya John.
Talyn John was the one that bought the farm.
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Old December 14 2008, 11:54 PM   #8
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Rei Ayanami

(though of course, part of her storyline is that while she is a physical clone of the human Yui Ikari, she's got the "soul" of the alien entity Lilith implanted inside of her, so she's more a revanent version of Lilith using a cloned human body as a vessel, and part of her character arc is discovering how she, "Rei" is her own distinct person, neither Yui nor Lilith)
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Old December 15 2008, 12:12 AM   #9
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What the bad guys were doing with the cloning in The Sixth Day was pretty stupid -- when you die, you're dead. Your clone may be alive, but IT'S NOT YOU!!! Though it was funny (and a bit scary) when the clone deliberately killed his previous version.

However, I completely bought the fakeout, thinking I was following one person and it turns out to be the other person. So that made the movie better than what it was -- which was Arnold on auto pilot.
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Old December 15 2008, 12:23 AM   #10
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Up the Long ladder was one of the worst easily.
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Old December 15 2008, 12:34 AM   #11
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BOBA FETTZ!
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Old December 16 2008, 10:39 AM   #12
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Temis the Red-Nosed Vorta wrote: View Post
Also let's not forget the wonderful Weyoun clones, particularly in "Treachery, Faith and the Great River."
Best clones ever!

Well, except us Asgard of course.
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Old December 16 2008, 05:23 PM   #13
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worst: Michael Keaton, Multiplicity

one of the best: Arnie in the Sixth Day
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Old December 16 2008, 06:04 PM   #14
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Tom Riker!
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Old December 16 2008, 06:39 PM   #15
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