Secret Invasion: The End - SPOILERS! - Page 5

Hermiod · December 10 2008, 09:31 AM

^Right up until the point where it resets everything again and you have to figure out what parts they've changed and what parts remain the same between revisions.

Thespeckledkiwi · December 10 2008, 09:59 AM

Hermiod wrote:

^Right up until the point where it resets everything again and you have to figure out what parts they've changed and what parts remain the same between revisions.

I pretty much gave up on DC after Countdown to 52 and then Countdown to Final Crisis rolled around. Took too long to figure out who the hell these minor characters are...

A Clockwork Lim · December 10 2008, 10:33 AM

I don't mind DCs "rebooting," especially when it's done to try and bring the stories into the current climate. Which, admittedly, has been rare as of late. Especially when they just resort to what they were a few years prior.

My problem is just the stories they do tell. Particularly with Superman. They're just really, really bad most of the time.

I really appreciate the idea of seeing superheroes as modern gods and mythology. I just wish they'd really go down that route, telling stories that actually tell a story and -- preferably -- some sort of moral lesson. Most of the time it just seems to be a random wankfest with some obscure nobody as the villain and ends up being a punching-fest at the end.

At least a good number of Marvel stories look at the way people react to things with an emphasis on the characters, not the action sequences.

Hermiod · December 10 2008, 11:27 AM

TheBolianChoir wrote:

I pretty much gave up on DC after Countdown to 52 and then Countdown to Final Crisis rolled around. Took too long to figure out who the hell these minor characters are...

Then there's the part where you have to remember which Flash and which Green Lantern are members of the JLA this week.

blaXXer · December 10 2008, 02:45 PM

Im short: Current Marvel > Current DC (that is 'damn clusterfuck' for you).

Hermiod · December 10 2008, 02:46 PM

^Sums it up pretty well.

Norrin Radd · December 10 2008, 05:13 PM

Meh. A pox on both their houses.

Thespeckledkiwi · December 10 2008, 06:52 PM

Silver Bells Surfer wrote:

Meh. A pox on both their houses.

Well more so on DC...

Smiley · December 10 2008, 06:57 PM

Both companies are doing too much with the universe concepts and not enough focusing on the individual characters. It's high time crossovers and events were special again. Let's go at least four years with no huge event stories with multiple meaningless tie-ins. As it stands, the characters only get five months at best with stories separate from the crossovers.

TheArsenal · December 10 2008, 07:13 PM

TheBolianChoir wrote:

I pretty much gave up on DC after Countdown to 52 and then Countdown to Final Crisis rolled around. Took too long to figure out who the hell these minor characters are...

DC has fallen in love with their minor characters. Which on one level is good, because in books like Checkmate, Gotham Central or say, Secret Six, you get a look at the DCU universe from a very different and fresh perspective. One of the problems is they also have major events hinge around the actions of these minor characters, who seem lately to be all from Flash's world. And while multiple Green Lanterns make sense, they are after all a police force, I can't keep up with all the speedsters - dead, alive and in between - racing about in those Flash comics I don't read. But there a crap load of them, that I know.

It gets a bit messy.

Hermiod · December 11 2008, 05:05 PM

I just flicked through this issue again. Have a very careful look at the spread when Stark brings down the Skrull ship full of the people the Skrulls had captured and replaced.

It seems it wasn't just S.H.I.E.L.D. and HYDRA agents and superheroes they replaced...

MNM · December 11 2008, 06:44 PM

Highwayman wrote:

Hermiod wrote:

^I can't help but think that someone like Mr. Sinister or Magneto might have taken her place if they were available, though.

According to Bendis, that's exactly what happened.

Quoted from WizardUniverse.com:

Originally, it was going to be Magneto in that chair but continuity would have it where he just wasn't available and we all got together and Fraction was cool enough to let Emma get in there and, boy oh boy, that just makes her the most interesting person in that room to me. [The Dark Reign] special is actually written from her point of view mostly and I'm looking forward to it because that is a character that's kind of straddled both lines for a long time and now a hard decision is being made for her.

So it sounds like she may either be the weak link in the Dark Illuminati, or she might be in for a bit of character regression. I'd prefer the former, given the choice.

Bendis is talking out of his ass. Emma hasnt "straddled both lines for a long time" she has been good for close to 20 years.

blaXXer · December 11 2008, 09:40 PM

heh, elvis...

Thrall · December 11 2008, 09:51 PM

Bendis is talking out of his ass. Emma hasnt "straddled both lines for a long time" she has been good for close to 20 years.

No, she's pure evil. She just likes kids.

darkwing_duck1 · December 11 2008, 10:13 PM

Thrall wrote:

Bendis is talking out of his ass. Emma hasnt "straddled both lines for a long time" she has been good for close to 20 years.

No, she's pure evil. She just likes kids.

Hey, Thrall, is it just me or has noone responded to our larger point that Marvel under Jemas (and now JoeyQ) has been putting out mostly garbage for years?

Personally, I think they just need to excise 98% of what they've done since the early part of "Hero's Return" and start over...

December 10 2008, 09:31 AM	#61
Hermiod Admiral	Re: Secret Invasion: The End - SPOILERS! ^Right up until the point where it resets everything again and you have to figure out what parts they've changed and what parts remain the same between revisions.

December 10 2008, 10:33 AM	#63
A Clockwork Lim Lieutenant Commander	Re: Secret Invasion: The End - SPOILERS! I don't mind DCs "rebooting," especially when it's done to try and bring the stories into the current climate. Which, admittedly, has been rare as of late. Especially when they just resort to what they were a few years prior. My problem is just the stories they do tell. Particularly with Superman. They're just really, really bad most of the time. I really appreciate the idea of seeing superheroes as modern gods and mythology. I just wish they'd really go down that route, telling stories that actually tell a story and -- preferably -- some sort of moral lesson. Most of the time it just seems to be a random wankfest with some obscure nobody as the villain and ends up being a punching-fest at the end. At least a good number of Marvel stories look at the way people react to things with an emphasis on the characters, not the action sequences.

December 10 2008, 02:45 PM	#65
blaXXer Fleet Captain	Re: Secret Invasion: The End - SPOILERS! Im short: Current Marvel > Current DC (that is 'damn clusterfuck' for you). __________________ www.blaxxer.de

December 10 2008, 02:46 PM	#66
Hermiod Admiral	Re: Secret Invasion: The End - SPOILERS! ^Sums it up pretty well.

December 10 2008, 05:13 PM	#67
Norrin Radd Vice Admiral	Re: Secret Invasion: The End - SPOILERS! Meh. A pox on both their houses.

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December 10 2008, 06:57 PM	#69
Smiley Rear Admiral Location: Chandler, AZ	Re: Secret Invasion: The End - SPOILERS! Both companies are doing too much with the universe concepts and not enough focusing on the individual characters. It's high time crossovers and events were special again. Let's go at least four years with no huge event stories with multiple meaningless tie-ins. As it stands, the characters only get five months at best with stories separate from the crossovers.

December 11 2008, 05:05 PM	#71
Hermiod Admiral	Re: Secret Invasion: The End - SPOILERS! I just flicked through this issue again. Have a very careful look at the spread when Stark brings down the Skrull ship full of the people the Skrulls had captured and replaced. It seems it wasn't just S.H.I.E.L.D. and HYDRA agents and superheroes they replaced...

December 11 2008, 09:40 PM	#73
blaXXer Fleet Captain	Re: Secret Invasion: The End - SPOILERS! heh, elvis... __________________ www.blaxxer.de