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Old December 25 2008, 05:32 PM   #46
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

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^ What you have to be kidding!

I'm not. I thought the new corridor set looked pretty good. The bridge is good too, if they'd just get rid of the standing clear panels and take off the stupid desk lamp things on the stations.

For those who don't know what Madkoifish's design looks like I'll attatch some renders. He intended for it to be a redesign for the TOS era, but I think it works as a movie-era refit as well, having some of the features in the Phase II promo art that were put out





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Old December 26 2008, 01:03 AM   #47
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

Looks very much like Gabe's.
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Old December 26 2008, 01:21 AM   #48
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Looks very much like Gabe's.
In some respects, but that's to be expected considering that the goal was to "reimagine" a TOS Connie true to the original but with updated details.
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Old December 26 2008, 01:37 AM   #49
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

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Looks very much like Gabe's.
In some respects, but that's to be expected considering that the goal was to "reimagine" a TOS Connie true to the original but with updated details.
You know what?

I'm thinking about re-imagining my re-imagining!

If I could re-imagine the TMP refit, I would either rebuilt the Enterprise entirely, like I suggested earlier in this thread, OR...

I'd keep the TOS ship much the same as she was during TOS, with only minor revisions, the fewer the better.

Imagine the TOS Enterprise, with the exterior much the same as she was during TOS, and the interior sets simply toned down so the colors and textures were toned down a bit. (Not much.) And maybe I'd keep the uniforms the same as TOS, except the women would wear trousers like they did in the pilots.
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Old December 26 2008, 05:23 PM   #50
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

I actually like both the TOS design and the TMP design. Which is why I'd want to take the best characteristics from both.

I like the clean lines of the TOS design, it's lack of superfluous surface detail, and the fact that it has an auxiliary nav-deflector in the saucer, (as it can separate from the secondary hull).

I like the revised primary and secondary basic hull-shape, the thicker-neck, the revised deflector dish and basic pylon and nacelle shape of TMP. I also like the basic centerline torpedo design of TMP, the phaser-design, and the ship's windows having a rounded-edge on them.

I mean logically I'd want to combine the best qualities of both ships.

TOS
-Low skin surface detail/clean-lines
-Smooth nacelle front-caps (I did not say the shape, just the smooth clean lined shape)
-Navigation deflector in saucer

TMP
- Basic Primary-Hull shape
- Basic Secondary-Hull shape
- Basic Warp-Nacelle shape
- Thicker, revised neck
- Basic pylon-shape
- Bigger impulse-engines
- Torpedo launcher on ships centerline
- Revised navigation-deflector dish
- Revised bridge-dome
- Revised Phaser Set-up
- Rounded windows
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Old December 26 2008, 06:31 PM   #51
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

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Looks very much like Gabe's.
Yes. When was this done? After the first trailer? It's sort of a toned-down Gabe E, with elements of the new movie ship, all blended over a TMP base. (the turbine blades are very similar to the new E).

It's nice, no doubt about it.
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Old December 28 2008, 01:19 PM   #52
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

Wait till you see it in motion:
http://vimeo.com/2408402
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Old December 28 2008, 02:44 PM   #53
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

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Looks very much like Gabe's.
Yes. When was this done? After the first trailer? It's sort of a toned-down Gabe E, with elements of the new movie ship, all blended over a TMP base. (the turbine blades are very similar to the new E).

It's nice, no doubt about it.
I wanna say that MKF was working on it well before that...there was a spate of "reimagined" TOS Connies going back almost 2-2 1/2 years ago (like Dennis Bailey's USS Phoenix).
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Old December 29 2008, 12:59 AM   #54
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

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^ What you have to be kidding!

I'm not. I thought the new corridor set looked pretty good. The bridge is good too, if they'd just get rid of the standing clear panels and take off the stupid desk lamp things on the stations.

For those who don't know what Madkoifish's design looks like I'll attatch some renders. He intended for it to be a redesign for the TOS era, but I think it works as a movie-era refit as well, having some of the features in the Phase II promo art that were put out





Great looking design
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Old December 29 2008, 04:32 AM   #55
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

Possible ST: XI spoilers, but mostly my own rampant speculation, so probably harmless:


My take on the Abrams Enterprise and canon is that it is canon, but it is what I call Second Canon. The events of TOS, TNG, DS9, and even (God help me) Voyager happened just as we have already seen - everything in the timeline that leads up to Nero and Ambassador Spock going back in time. Then, Second Canon begins, and it reflects changes made by both Nero, and by Spock, who has unloaded some knowledge on Starfleet - presumably including ship technologies.

To put all this in terms directly relevant to this thread, I don't think it is correct to consider Abrams' Enterprise as an ancestor of the Enterprise-refit. If anything, I believe it would be more accurate to consider it the illegitimate love-child of the TOS Constitution (which Starfleet would have had on the design board) and the Enterprise-E or maybe even -F (I'm not clear on when Nero and Spock are coming back from), which would reflect the input of Ambassador Spock. It certainly won't lead to the TMP refit. All bets are off.

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Old December 29 2008, 09:30 PM   #56
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

Shaw,

My studies show that 10 foot decks (with a few inches between) done exactly how Jefferies designed it works fine. But if you think you have to have two feet between decks and a three to five foot thick hull... use something bigger.
How thick is the skin according to your estimates and figures?

Considering that the corridors have walls that are more than 2 feet thick and were shown to house all the stuff that people assume must be in the floors, what other reason would you need more than a couple inches between decks?
I never thought about much being housed in the corridor-walls. Wouldn't that be a problem if a high intensity phaser-blast hits them?


USS_Triumphant,

Wha? Who's Nero?

I'm pretty sure you don't mean the psychopathic Emperor of Rome who blowtorched part of his city, then blamed Christians and brutally killed them...


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Old December 29 2008, 10:02 PM   #57
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

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How thick is the skin according to your estimates and figures?
Well, you can make an estimate of the outer hull for yourself...


I never thought about much being housed in the corridor-walls. Wouldn't that be a problem if a high intensity phaser-blast hits them?
As opposed to the floor or ceiling?

The only high intensity phaser-blast hitting a wall in the series was when Scott was attempting to cut his way into engineering... and he expressed just how delicate the work was.
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Old December 29 2008, 11:48 PM   #58
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

Looks like maybe a foot and a half, max.

Although, the best answer is, "As thick as any given story requires it to be."

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Old December 31 2008, 03:28 AM   #59
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

Shaw,

I'm not talking about just the sets on the show. I'm also talking about things, like for example, how thick is the saucer rim on the TOS Enterprise?

If each deck is ten feet, two decks would be at least 20-feet of the saucer rim... and there is a few inches between each deck. So when you take the thickness of the rim, then subtract 20-feet and a couple of inches... what's left over?


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Old December 31 2008, 05:50 AM   #60
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If each deck is ten feet, two decks would be at least 20-feet of the saucer rim... and there is a few inches between each deck. So when you take the thickness of the rim, then subtract 20-feet and a couple of inches... what's left over?
Why are you assuming that the decks on the outer rim are full 10 foot decks?

Other than near the dorsal, deck 6's inner core is completely divided from it's outer rim. You have to go to deck 5 to move from the outer rim of deck 6 to the center core of deck 6. The center core has a height of 10 foot, but the outer rim doesn't... nor does it have to as we never saw the outer rim (of either deck 5 or 6) in the show.

And none of this is a new subject... I refer you to the sketches I've done in my thread to date. At no point do I attempt to shoehorn in two full deck heights in the limited space of the outer rim... which is already diminished by the saucer's under cut. There are about a dozen graphics in that thread all displaying the same thing... a shorten height for the outer rim of deck 6.
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