How would you do Phase II differently?

King Daniel Into Darkness · April 2 2010, 03:31 PM

This is only meant as a bit of fun and not an 'attack' on STP2 or the people behind it. M'kay?

If you were in charge, how would you do Phase II? What would you change?

I would...

Tell the guy who plays DeSalle to shave, give him a yellow shirt and put him in the big chair as Captain Kirk.

Replace McCoy with someone younger and...err...skinnier. Hell, Karl Urban looks chunky next to DeForest Kelley!

Find a new Scotty.

Drop the attempts at TOS-style humor (it doesn't work) and the "laugh now!" music cues.

Update the characters' hairstyles and drop the horrible wigs (particularly the beehive in the Enemy Starfleet preview!)

Not be so slavish to TOS. Killed Chekov a few episodes ago? Keep him dead. Somthing doesn't look quite 1969? Use it anyway.

Anyone else? Remember - this is a fan film and you don't have an infinite budget.

Captain Robert April · April 3 2010, 04:06 AM

Other than cast myself as Kirk?

Kelso · April 3 2010, 04:18 AM

It doesn't matter what I might do, it wouldn't be as good as what they've done.

GSchnitzer · April 3 2010, 04:38 AM

I'd make KingDaniel pay for the production costs.

FYI: DeForest Kelley at the end of Season 3 of Trek: 48 years old.
Dr. John Kelley in first Phase II episode "Come What May:" 38 years old
Dr. John Kelley age now: 45 years old.

There's no need to speculate on how you would do Phase II. Nothing's stopping you from making your own. Just mount a production and show us what you would do differently. Get crackin' my friend! I'm eager to download it, grab some popcorn and watch!

Hartzilla2007 · April 3 2010, 04:49 AM

I would have probably gone through with using the the Phase II Enterprise design instead of keeping the TOS design.

Maurice · April 3 2010, 06:25 AM

The same as I'd do on every fan-film I've ever seen: improve the scripts.

Pauln6 · April 3 2010, 11:18 AM

I think they've done astoundingly well considering what a massive undertaking it is to produce shows like this and they seem to improve with each new episode (although George Takei's episode was exceptional). I'd probably say pick up the pace a very tiny bit and introduce a couple more female crewmen. Unless she was demoted prior to TMP, Janice should be a senior petty officer rather than an ensign or full officer. Maybe tone down Scotty's accent.

I'm a bit of a fan of TMP so I'd probably go the whole hog and set the show after TMP with a few more alien crew milling around but I appreciate that most people hated TMP uniforms and alien prosthetics are a nightmare for a fan production.

middyseafort · April 3 2010, 05:46 PM

GSchnitzer wrote:

FYI: DeForest Kelley at the end of Season 3 of Trek: 48 years old.
Dr. John Kelley in first Phase II episode "Come What May:" 38 years old
Dr. John Kelley age now: 45 years old.

John Kelly's earnest performance as Dr. McCoy is one of the best aspects of the production. He is my favorite performer on the series. In fact, he's the main reason I keep watching.

John Kelly may not be a school-trained thespian but you can tell he puts his entire heart into his performance, and, to me, that means a helluv a whole lot more than whether or not he physically resembles or mimics DeForest Kelly.

GSchnitzer · April 3 2010, 06:22 PM

DS9Sega wrote:

The same as I'd do on every fan-film I've ever seen: improve the scripts.

Don't worry: we won't rest until one of our scripts actually wins a Hugo Award or a Nebula Award--instead of just being nominated for them. We'll keep slugging away.

Admiral Buzzkill · April 3 2010, 07:54 PM

I was nominated for a Nebula award once. Final ballot.

Gagarin · April 3 2010, 08:10 PM

Not sure I'd "do" anything different.
The old starship effects don't give an impression of "girth" to the Enterprise, but the newer episodes seem to have gotten rid of the cartoon bouncing-around effect. I complain about that for TOS-R, so I may never be happy!

I like what they're doing.

I'm not sure how well a "Phase 2" post TMP would feel. Whenever I've seen even 'reconstructions' of the TMP bridge, they never looked right. They seem to have TOS to perfection.

King Daniel Into Darkness · April 3 2010, 08:45 PM

^I have a feeling, considering the obsessive perfectionist natures of those in charge, that should Phase II build a TMP bridge it will be the most accurate one ever made.

I doubt it'll ever happen though - are there any stories that can't be told just as well on the TOS Enterprise as on the TMP one? That "bridge money" would probably be better spent elsewhere.

And don't even get me started on the TMP PJ's.

Maurice · April 3 2010, 10:45 PM

Well, Titantic won best picture for 1997, and I know virtually no-one who thinks the script is wonderful and couldn't have been improved. Awards don't equate to perfection, do they? I hope Phase II does work on improving their scripts, as I hope ALL productions do.

Dennis: do you feel you was robbed?

Pauln6 · April 4 2010, 12:48 AM

Wasn't the script pipped by Dr Who? No shame in that - it was a bloody good script and a scary episode.

I expect that the ship on TMP looked good because they threw money at it. I wouldn't expect a fan production to be able to replicate a movie budgeted set. It's not my favourite Trek movie but it has my favourite Starfleet feel to it. Still if Phase II had gone ahead it would have been more akin to TOS anyway.

Sadly, I kinda liked the pjs... I'm trying to buy up the little figurines that they made in the 80s so I can paint me a full crew (ok maybe not a full crew that's like 430 figures but even so, I might get up to about 40)

Admiral Buzzkill · April 4 2010, 03:17 AM

DS9Sega wrote:

Dennis: do you feel you was robbed?

I feel grateful to have had friends, and few illusions about the meaning of a nomination.

April 2 2010, 03:31 PM	#1
King Daniel Into Darkness Admiral Location: On holiday. Regular service will resume on July 6.	How would you do Phase II differently? This is only meant as a bit of fun and not an 'attack' on STP2 or the people behind it. M'kay? If you were in charge, how would you do Phase II? What would you change? I would... Tell the guy who plays DeSalle to shave, give him a yellow shirt and put him in the big chair as Captain Kirk. Replace McCoy with someone younger and...err...skinnier. Hell, Karl Urban looks chunky next to DeForest Kelley! Find a new Scotty. Drop the attempts at TOS-style humor (it doesn't work) and the "laugh now!" music cues. Update the characters' hairstyles and drop the horrible wigs (particularly the beehive in the Enemy Starfleet preview!) Not be so slavish to TOS. Killed Chekov a few episodes ago? Keep him dead. Somthing doesn't look quite 1969? Use it anyway. Anyone else? Remember - this is a fan film and you don't have an infinite budget. __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors! Ep1, Ep2 and Ep3

April 3 2010, 04:06 AM	#2
Captain Robert April Vice Admiral Location: In selfless service to fandom, on the road to becoming a Star Trek trivia god...	Re: How would you do Phase II differently? Other than cast myself as Kirk?

April 3 2010, 04:18 AM	#3
Kelso Vice Admiral Location: On the destruct button until the last minute!	Re: How would you do Phase II differently? It doesn't matter what I might do, it wouldn't be as good as what they've done. __________________ "Murder on Tuesday"! The all-new comic strip from Kail Tescar's startrekanimated.com My Puppet Building Blog!

April 3 2010, 04:38 AM	#4
GSchnitzer Co-Executive Producer Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland, USA, Terra	Re: How would you do Phase II differently? I'd make KingDaniel pay for the production costs. FYI: DeForest Kelley at the end of Season 3 of Trek: 48 years old. Dr. John Kelley in first Phase II episode "Come What May:" 38 years old Dr. John Kelley age now: 45 years old. There's no need to speculate on how you would do Phase II. Nothing's stopping you from making your own. Just mount a production and show us what you would do differently. Get crackin' my friend! I'm eager to download it, grab some popcorn and watch! __________________ Greg Schnitzer Co-Executive Producer Star Trek Phase II http://www.startrekphase2.com http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3348883/

April 3 2010, 04:49 AM	#5
Hartzilla2007 Vice Admiral Location: Star Trekkin Across the universe.	Re: How would you do Phase II differently? I would have probably gone through with using the the Phase II Enterprise design instead of keeping the TOS design.

STAR TREK

CSI

ABOUT US

April 3 2010, 06:25 AM	#6
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: How would you do Phase II differently? The same as I'd do on every fan-film I've ever seen: improve the scripts. __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970"

April 3 2010, 11:18 AM	#7
Pauln6 Commodore Location: Bristol, United Kingdom	Re: How would you do Phase II differently? I think they've done astoundingly well considering what a massive undertaking it is to produce shows like this and they seem to improve with each new episode (although George Takei's episode was exceptional). I'd probably say pick up the pace a very tiny bit and introduce a couple more female crewmen. Unless she was demoted prior to TMP, Janice should be a senior petty officer rather than an ensign or full officer. Maybe tone down Scotty's accent. I'm a bit of a fan of TMP so I'd probably go the whole hog and set the show after TMP with a few more alien crew milling around but I appreciate that most people hated TMP uniforms and alien prosthetics are a nightmare for a fan production.

April 3 2010, 07:54 PM	#10
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: How would you do Phase II differently? I was nominated for a Nebula award once. Final ballot. __________________ "I think [J.J. Abrams has] done a great thing for Star Trek. I’m very grateful to him. We all owe him a lot. When someone comes along like he has done and picks it up and elevates it, we should be grateful." - Leonard Nimoy

April 3 2010, 08:10 PM	#11
Gagarin Commander	Re: How would you do Phase II differently? Not sure I'd "do" anything different. The old starship effects don't give an impression of "girth" to the Enterprise, but the newer episodes seem to have gotten rid of the cartoon bouncing-around effect. I complain about that for TOS-R, so I may never be happy! I like what they're doing. I'm not sure how well a "Phase 2" post TMP would feel. Whenever I've seen even 'reconstructions' of the TMP bridge, they never looked right. They seem to have TOS to perfection.

April 3 2010, 08:45 PM	#12
King Daniel Into Darkness Admiral Location: On holiday. Regular service will resume on July 6.	Re: How would you do Phase II differently? ^I have a feeling, considering the obsessive perfectionist natures of those in charge, that should Phase II build a TMP bridge it will be the most accurate one ever made. I doubt it'll ever happen though - are there any stories that can't be told just as well on the TOS Enterprise as on the TMP one? That "bridge money" would probably be better spent elsewhere. And don't even get me started on the TMP PJ's. __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors! Ep1, Ep2 and Ep3

April 3 2010, 10:45 PM	#13
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: How would you do Phase II differently? Well, Titantic won best picture for 1997, and I know virtually no-one who thinks the script is wonderful and couldn't have been improved. Awards don't equate to perfection, do they? I hope Phase II does work on improving their scripts, as I hope ALL productions do. Dennis: do you feel you was robbed? __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970" Last edited by Maurice Navidad; April 4 2010 at 05:46 AM.

April 4 2010, 12:48 AM	#14
Pauln6 Commodore Location: Bristol, United Kingdom	Re: How would you do Phase II differently? Wasn't the script pipped by Dr Who? No shame in that - it was a bloody good script and a scary episode. I expect that the ship on TMP looked good because they threw money at it. I wouldn't expect a fan production to be able to replicate a movie budgeted set. It's not my favourite Trek movie but it has my favourite Starfleet feel to it. Still if Phase II had gone ahead it would have been more akin to TOS anyway. Sadly, I kinda liked the pjs... I'm trying to buy up the little figurines that they made in the 80s so I can paint me a full crew (ok maybe not a full crew that's like 430 figures but even so, I might get up to about 40)