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Old November 21 2008, 09:47 PM   #31
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Re: 'Star Trek XI' No Reboot Says Abrams

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Those of you that are declaring this a reboot, are you doing so for any reason other than visual changes? I think if you pretend everything looks mid-60s and then it fits as well as any other Trek then it's not a reboot. IMO only irreconcilable story points like gender changes and origin changes qualify you for reboot status.
As the visuals are part of cannon just as much as the characters and story, any change to the visual appearance that is so drastic as to be irreconcilable with what has gone before automatically makes it a reboot. I mean, the original Enterprise is such an American icon that the grand 11 foot model is in the Smithsonian in DC. For him to change it so drastically does not fit with the careful casting job where you can actually believe these could be the same characters only younger.

For Abrams not to call this a reboot was okay until he okay'd the drastically different sets and ships. Once he did that he was on the course of a reboot whether he wanted it or not. To fit with existing Start Trek canon, the major design elements of the Enterprise (internal and external) would have had to be followed (not exactly but within reasonable limits such as the new uniforms). No effort seems to have been given past the barest design concept. And after watching "In a Mirror, Darkly" and seeing how well the old designs work even today, Abrams doesn't have much of an excuse without acknowledging he is doing a reboot or at least an alternate timeline.

And then there is the issue of Romulans. None of the major characters had even seen a Romulan before "Balance of Terror". I don't know how he can write a Romulan villain and avoid having any of the characters seeing one and noticing they look like Vulcans.

I just don't have any hopes that someone who readily admits he isn't a fan of the show can do a proper job of adding to the canon that has grown over the last 40 years.

In the end it is not what Abrams says that matters, it's how the movie turns out. Currently it has all the earmarks of a reboot and there would have to be one heck of a story to reconcile what I've seen so far with what a canon story would be.
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Old November 21 2008, 10:32 PM   #32
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Re: 'Star Trek XI' No Reboot Says Abrams

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Maybe you could be the cheerleader and I could be the crabby curmudgeon.
This is more how I envision it...


No cheerleaders in sight though.
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Old November 22 2008, 09:06 AM   #33
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Back off, Cogley...I'll do it if dared...you know I will...I'M A MAN ON THE EDGE!
Eh, go ahead.

And animate it -- I'll pay extra.
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Old November 23 2008, 04:14 AM   #34
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Re: 'Star Trek XI' No Reboot Says Abrams

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Samuel T. Cogley wrote: View Post
Maybe you could be the cheerleader and I could be the crabby curmudgeon.
This is more how I envision it...


No cheerleaders in sight though.
Damn. I think that's me on the right.
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