Destiny: Lost Souls by David Mack Review Thread (Spoilers!)

[Rowan Sjet]

I'll just echo what other people have already said. This really is the Lord of the Rings of TrekLit. Superb work Mr Mack (and I loved the T:TSCC reference! )

rfmcdpei wrote:

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Worlds of Deep Space Nine had Andor's population sitting at about eighty million people, so I only hope that it has suffered significantly fewer dead!

That was one thing I was wondering about reading these books. There seemed to be quite a few appearances of Andorians and their different sexes throughout the trilogy, which left me thinking that this may be because we wouldn't be seeing the Blue-skins quite so much after Destiny!

[Stephen!]

I wonder what they intend to do with Columbia ..... Maybe they'll give it a complete refit with 24th century technology.

[SeerSGB]

Stephen! wrote:

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I wonder what they intend to do with Columbia ..... Maybe they'll give it a complete refit with 24th century technology.

Museum piece. Maybe something along the present day Constitution and HMS Victory. Keep her in commission, but really not much more than a floating exhibit.

[Ronald Held]

Picard should still have enough influence to retain his senior staff.

[Silversmok3]

Ronald Held wrote:

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Picard should still have enough influence to retain his senior staff.

Starfleets got bigger issues than personell shortages.

Refugees(and serving starfleet personell) who fled the Borg invasion are coming back to dead cinders for homeworlds. Relief and reconstruction will be everyones first priority, with what few ships are left to do it with.

Once that is underway the next hurdle will be rebuilding the fleet, which id imagine will be faster than ususal as shipyards weren't targeted that much.

By the time enough new ships get cranked out Starfleet will have a new generation of officers and crew to run the new vessels. Unlike the Dominion War there weren't many survivors waiting to get back in the fight this time, so personell wont be an issue.

I wonder though, what will the other races' reactions be if it becomes common knowledge that the Borg were spawned from humanity?

I cant imagine someone who just lost their family and 80% of their species to be too understanding of the exact circumstances of the Borg's origin.Unless this info is lockdown-classified this is gonna make some folks pretty pissed off at humanity:and react accordingly.

[Romulan_spy]

I finished reading Lost Souls. Simply awesome! There is a scene at the very end where Picard and Crusher are talking about life after the Borg that reminded of a similar scene in B5 where Sheridan and Delenn are talking about life after the Shadow War. Both scenes give that sense that the universe has changed forever.

I thought Bacco had some great lines. I loved her twisted sense of humor. For example, when her aid asks her if she wants to make a speech before Earth is attacked, she says something like "no, why ruin a perfectly good apocalypse?"

I thought the connection between the Caeliar and the Borg was fascinating. I loved the scene where Inyx confronts Sedin. So, basically this incredible evil that is the Borg, was really the result of just one extremely lonely and desperate entity.

[nx1701g]

Rowan Sjet wrote:

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(and I loved the T:TSCC reference! )

How on EARTH did I miss that?

[SeerSGB]

Silversmok3 wrote:

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Starfleets got bigger issues than personell shortages.

Refugees(and serving starfleet personell) who fled the Borg invasion are coming back to dead cinders for homeworlds. Relief and reconstruction will be everyones first priority, with what few ships are left to do it with.

Once that is underway the next hurdle will be rebuilding the fleet, which id imagine will be faster than ususal as shipyards weren't targeted that much.

By the time enough new ships get cranked out Starfleet will have a new generation of officers and crew to run the new vessels. Unlike the Dominion War there weren't many survivors waiting to get back in the fight this time, so personell wont be an issue.

I wonder though, what will the other races' reactions be if it becomes common knowledge that the Borg were spawned from humanity?

I cant imagine someone who just lost their family and 80% of their species to be too understanding of the exact circumstances of the Borg's origin.Unless this info is lockdown-classified this is gonna make some folks pretty pissed off at humanity:and react accordingly.

Maybe it's time for Starfleet to crack out Genesis torp. tech again and use it to terraform those worlds that ere completely scrubbed off all life.

As for the big revelation that humanity had a hand in the Borg's birth, yeah that's something that needs to be locked down big time. Otherwise there's going to be a lot of pissed off races going for humans.

[nx1701g]

^ But wouldn't the planets explode again?

[SeerSGB]

nx1701g wrote:

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^ But wouldn't the planets explode again?

Depends on whether they solve the need for protomatter; which David only used cause he got frustrated and in a rush to see it done. Who knows, by the 24th C. they might crack the stability problem; especially seeing as the thing is, effectively in what it does, a planetary-scale replicator.

[Christopher]

^^Didn't Dave Mack's "report" in The Genesis Wave Book 1 establish that the explosion of the Genesis Planet wasn't really because of the protomatter, but because the torpedo wasn't programmed to assemble a planet out of a nebula and the planet was thus unstable? And as I recall, MyrU: The Chimes of Midnight elaborated on that idea.

[Sci]

SeerSGB wrote:

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As for the big revelation that humanity had a hand in the Borg's birth, yeah that's something that needs to be locked down big time. Otherwise there's going to be a lot of pissed off races going for humans.

No. Secrets and lies are the things that created the Borg in the first place. The last thing the Federation and Earth need to do is try to cover it all up.

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Sci wrote:

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No. Secrets and lies are the things that created the Borg in the first place. The last thing the Federation and Earth need to do is try to cover it all up.

Actually, I'd think the last thing the Federation - Earth, in particular - would need, is for hundreds or even thousands of Borg-victimized races to come banging on their front door looking for revenge. (You think Andorians, for example, would be all that happy about learning that a fellow member of the Federation was indirectly responsible for what happened to them?) If it takes a few secrets to stop that from happening, I'd call it even.

[Rat Boy]

Christopher wrote:

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^^Didn't Dave Mack's "report" in The Genesis Wave Book 1 establish that the explosion of the Genesis Planet wasn't really because of the protomatter, but because the torpedo wasn't programmed to assemble a planet out of a nebula and the planet was thus unstable? And as I recall, MyrU: The Chimes of Midnight elaborated on that idea.

Precisely. According to said report, everything's all fine and dandy in the Genesis Cave within the Regula planetoid and all those planets transformed by the Genesis Wave didn't spontaneously combust, either.

[The Grim Ghost]

The way I see it the Caeliar are responsible for the creation of the Borg. The humans were captured and held against their will, they had every right to try and escape. If someone kidnapped you and told you that you would be held captive in their house until the day of your death..wouldn't you try to leave? Even if it meant hurting or killing them? Seriously, who wouldn't?

Now whether the other races in the galaxy will see it that way is a whole other box of self sealed stem bolts.