HEROES 3x08 "Villains" Discuss and Grade - Page 5

Servo · November 11 2008, 09:42 PM

Morpheus 02 wrote:

Who would make an interesting recipient of the new powers?

My vote goes with either Ando, or Noah.

I'm inclined to believe that Arthur isn't taking Hiro's ability, but somehow influencing/brainwashing Hiro into working for him. This could be one explanation as to why Ando is trying to take Hiro down in the future. Maybe what Psion said is correct; that Hiro's powers can't be taken, so Arthur has to resort to brainwashing him instead. That could also explain why Arthur's plan seems to have prevailed in the future that Hiro visited - the man would be pretty much unstoppable with someone who can manipulate time and space at his disposal, on top of the range of powers and resources he already has.

Kryton · November 11 2008, 09:45 PM

I believe it's entirely possible that Hiro is STILL inside his dream and Arthur has joined him there along with the dream-image of having decapitated African-Isaac.

"I understand you've been dreaming about me." It's not that super-Arthur COULDN'T transport or speedster himself there...I just get the feeling either it's a dream image projected by Arthur OR it's Maury Parkman sliding into Hiro's dream through an existing image...he'd already been dreaming of Arthur and Angela.

Servo · November 11 2008, 09:56 PM

Kryton wrote:

I believe it's entirely possible that Hiro is STILL inside his dream and Arthur has joined him there along with the dream-image of having decapitated African-Isaac.

"I understand you've been dreaming about me." It's not that super-Arthur COULDN'T transport or speedster himself there...I just get the feeling either it's a dream image projected by Arthur OR it's Maury Parkman sliding into Hiro's dream through an existing image...he'd already been dreaming of Arthur and Angela.

That is entirely possible. Although Maury is dead, so it would have to be Arthur himself doing the projecting.

Also, after making that last post, I realised something; if Arthur did steal all of Peter's accumulated powers, shouldn't he already have the ability to manipulate time and space anyway? In which case, he'd be able to bend timelines to his will on his own, so the only advantage to Arthur either brainwashing or killing Hiro, is to remove the only person who can stand up to him on that level - someone who can travel through time and space and put right what...once...went...wrong...

A Clockwork Lim · November 11 2008, 10:07 PM

There's no reason for Arthur to take Hiro's powers -- he already has them via Peter. Another pawn is far more useful to him.

Kryton · November 11 2008, 10:43 PM

Servo wrote:

That is entirely possible. Although Maury is dead, so it would have to be Arthur himself doing the projecting.

I contend that if Matt could fake HIS death using his psi-powers (as he did in that same episode), Maury...with around 30-plus more years of experience with those same abilities...could and SHOULD well have faked his own demise at Arthur's hands (note no "soul-sucking" effect when Arthur seems to snap Maury's neck). Maury knew it was coming. With his talents, how could he NOT?

I still think Maury is going to be the Villain who becomes the Hero and saves the day (or the season climax anyway).

Morpheus 02 · November 11 2008, 10:44 PM

Does Arthur know all of Peter's powers? If he's seen them in action, then he certainly knows what he can use (such as the electricity). But if he doesn't know, can he instinctively use them?

Kryton · November 11 2008, 10:46 PM

You make a valid point, considering that Future Syler hinted that Peter HAD his ability all along, he just needed to learn how to access it.

A Clockwork Lim · November 11 2008, 11:00 PM

He showed up in the middle of Africa dressed in a suit with not a sign of sweat to be found. Somehow I doubt he hiked there as opposed to, say, teleporting.

HappyDayRiot · November 11 2008, 11:16 PM

Above Average.

Not what was I expecting. Nice to see vol. 1 again as some people have said, but some of the hole-filling seemed... superfluous. Nice to how Arthur died and the backstory of Meredith, and the Sylar/Elle/HRG storyline was good too. And Eric Roberts stole the show - he was one of my favourites back in the day so brilliant to see him back for this one.

But why was Elle so out of character compared to s2? How can we possibly reconcile the two? That doesn't sit right with me at all - it smacks of retconning vol. 2 out of existence, especially since Monica, Bob, Maya and everyone else introduced in that volume has gone now (although rumour mill says Maya may be back...).

The ending was crap. We've learnt nothing. Not one thing in that flashback relates to anything in vol. 3 at all, it's just window-dressing. Hopefully Arthur (who I love) kills Hiro, if only for entertainingly wasting my time. Usutu dead? Who cares.

In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say this was the worst of the volume so far, because NOTHING happened. What's Pinehearst? How was it set up? What's it's ultimate aim? How does the Company fit in? What has episode one's future vision got to do with anything? What's the ultimate aim with the powers formula?

Oh, it doesn't matter. Retconning, however inoffensively, is far more important. Sigh. Thank god House is on tomorrow. As far as I enjoy Heroes, sometimes it really does rub me the wrong way.

Kryton · November 11 2008, 11:24 PM

A Clockwork Lim wrote:

He showed up in the middle of Africa dressed in a suit with not a sign of sweat to be found. Somehow I doubt he hiked there as opposed to, say, teleporting.

Um, if (as I conjectured) he is in Hiro's dream, he could wear any goddamn thing he wants.

TheBrew · November 11 2008, 11:38 PM

HappyDayRiot wrote:

But why was Elle so out of character compared to s2? How can we possibly reconcile the two?

Maybe Sylar going all crazy is what made Elle so loose in the head. She saved his life. She brought him to put away his hunger and then brought in a lamb to tempt him.

It was interesting, even if it didn't mean much. I do like the "hunger" aspect of Sylar being introduced. But I am a sucker for characters who must battle their darker side.

tomalak301 · November 11 2008, 11:40 PM

Regarding Elle being out of character, I wonder if she got more used to her job after Sylar? I mean it's been a year since her first encounter with Grey and how she was in season 2. Just a thought.

Dream · November 11 2008, 11:45 PM

Average.

Not much happened. It was weaker then the first and second season's flashback episodes. I hope next week will be better.

Meredith · November 12 2008, 12:43 AM

Aurthur already has Hiro's powers, he got them from peter already. I am guessing teleportation, he is scanning Hiro's mind right now.

RoJoHen · November 12 2008, 12:47 AM

I'd still be okay with Arthur stealing Hiro's powers, even if he already had them from Peter.

And then we should kill off Arthur by the end of the season, thereby eliminating all the time-travelers from the story.

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November 11 2008, 09:45 PM	#62
Kryton Admiral Location: In ur Starbug	Re: HEROES 3x08 "Villains" Discuss and Grade I believe it's entirely possible that Hiro is STILL inside his dream and Arthur has joined him there along with the dream-image of having decapitated African-Isaac. "I understand you've been dreaming about me." It's not that super-Arthur COULDN'T transport or speedster himself there...I just get the feeling either it's a dream image projected by Arthur OR it's Maury Parkman sliding into Hiro's dream through an existing image...he'd already been dreaming of Arthur and Angela.

November 11 2008, 10:07 PM	#64
A Clockwork Lim Lieutenant Commander	Re: HEROES 3x08 "Villains" Discuss and Grade There's no reason for Arthur to take Hiro's powers -- he already has them via Peter. Another pawn is far more useful to him.

November 11 2008, 10:44 PM	#66
Morpheus 02 Commodore Location: Chicago IL	Re: HEROES 3x08 "Villains" Discuss and Grade Does Arthur know all of Peter's powers? If he's seen them in action, then he certainly knows what he can use (such as the electricity). But if he doesn't know, can he instinctively use them? __________________ Morpheus 02 a.k.a. JP Paulus jp [at] paulus . com

November 11 2008, 10:46 PM	#67
Kryton Admiral Location: In ur Starbug	Re: HEROES 3x08 "Villains" Discuss and Grade You make a valid point, considering that Future Syler hinted that Peter HAD his ability all along, he just needed to learn how to access it.

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November 11 2008, 11:00 PM	#68
A Clockwork Lim Lieutenant Commander	Re: HEROES 3x08 "Villains" Discuss and Grade He showed up in the middle of Africa dressed in a suit with not a sign of sweat to be found. Somehow I doubt he hiked there as opposed to, say, teleporting.

November 11 2008, 11:16 PM	#69
HappyDayRiot Commodore Location: Cardiff, Wales	Re: HEROES 3x08 "Villains" Discuss and Grade Above Average. Not what was I expecting. Nice to see vol. 1 again as some people have said, but some of the hole-filling seemed... superfluous. Nice to how Arthur died and the backstory of Meredith, and the Sylar/Elle/HRG storyline was good too. And Eric Roberts stole the show - he was one of my favourites back in the day so brilliant to see him back for this one. But why was Elle so out of character compared to s2? How can we possibly reconcile the two? That doesn't sit right with me at all - it smacks of retconning vol. 2 out of existence, especially since Monica, Bob, Maya and everyone else introduced in that volume has gone now (although rumour mill says Maya may be back...). The ending was crap. We've learnt nothing. Not one thing in that flashback relates to anything in vol. 3 at all, it's just window-dressing. Hopefully Arthur (who I love) kills Hiro, if only for entertainingly wasting my time. Usutu dead? Who cares. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say this was the worst of the volume so far, because NOTHING happened. What's Pinehearst? How was it set up? What's it's ultimate aim? How does the Company fit in? What has episode one's future vision got to do with anything? What's the ultimate aim with the powers formula? Oh, it doesn't matter. Retconning, however inoffensively, is far more important. Sigh. Thank god House is on tomorrow. As far as I enjoy Heroes, sometimes it really does rub me the wrong way. __________________ "All you ever feel is anger. Why can't you ever express anything else?" Francine "Because people make me mad all the time for being stupid about everything!" Stan

November 11 2008, 11:40 PM	#72
tomalak301 Admiral Location: Bay Area, CA	Re: HEROES 3x08 "Villains" Discuss and Grade Regarding Elle being out of character, I wonder if she got more used to her job after Sylar? I mean it's been a year since her first encounter with Grey and how she was in season 2. Just a thought.

November 11 2008, 11:45 PM	#73
Dream Admiral	Re: HEROES 3x08 "Villains" Discuss and Grade Average. Not much happened. It was weaker then the first and second season's flashback episodes. I hope next week will be better.

November 12 2008, 12:43 AM	#74
Meredith Vice Admiral Location: Abh Space	Re: HEROES 3x08 "Villains" Discuss and Grade Aurthur already has Hiro's powers, he got them from peter already. I am guessing teleportation, he is scanning Hiro's mind right now. __________________ Laws only work if everyone is honest, no piece of paper is going to stop a truly deranged person from doing something atrocious.

November 12 2008, 12:47 AM	#75
RoJoHen Awesome Location: Wherever life takes me	Re: HEROES 3x08 "Villains" Discuss and Grade I'd still be okay with Arthur stealing Hiro's powers, even if he already had them from Peter. And then we should kill off Arthur by the end of the season, thereby eliminating all the time-travelers from the story. __________________ I am the Quintessential Admiral. Get ready to grow your EQUINOX BEARD!