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Old November 11 2008, 04:11 AM   #31
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Re: HEROES 3x08 "Villains" Discuss and Grade

That was an excellent episode, it really answered a lot of questions about the past, and I really like Arthur Petrelli as the villain. And there were so many returning old villains and S1 continuity bits! Nice.

I'm really pissed they killed the African seer though, I really liked that guy! He was one of my three favorite new characters (Daphe, Arthur). I was hoping he would join the main cast.
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Old November 11 2008, 04:15 AM   #32
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Claire has another uncle. Uncle Flint. Uncle Peter, Uncle Sylar, and Uncle Flint...all psychos and morons.
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Old November 11 2008, 04:18 AM   #33
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Re: HEROES 3x08 "Villains" Discuss and Grade

Well, I give this episode an Average rating.

"Meh" is how I sum up this episode. Really, there wasn't anything really new or surprising except for Linderman's morality by curing Angela and HRG being the guy who made Sylar bad. The HRG thing I predicted right when I saw him and Elle observing Sylar, but I have to admit it makes sense that HRG is the one who had a hand in Sylar turning evil, as it explains why he's so angry with Sylar and what he did to Claire.

But nothing really happened in this episode, and I don't like that Hiro's powers seem to be completely drained at the end of this episode. Arthur Petrelli is just not that interesting of a villain to me. When we first got introduced to him this season, I was intrigued, but he's turned out so one-dimensionally evil.
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Old November 11 2008, 04:21 AM   #34
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So I wonder how Arthur got the drop on African Isaac, he seemed to always know what Hiro was doing and Hiro could jump through time.
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Old November 11 2008, 04:23 AM   #35
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Goodbye Usutsu

well he'll never be head of a major company. That's no way to get ahead in life
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Old November 11 2008, 04:34 AM   #36
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FreezeC77 wrote: View Post
So I wonder how Arthur got the drop on African Isaac, he seemed to always know what Hiro was doing and Hiro could jump through time.
I was wondering that as well.
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Old November 11 2008, 04:45 AM   #37
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That didn't do HRG any favors, did it? Interesting episode, but my interest is waning. Angela, Nathan, Peter.....maybe just Angela and Nathan were all that piqued my interest. So Arthur really tried to do Nathan in? Cool. Even Sylar seemed boring tonight. It's not really a redemption if he was manipulated into it all.
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Old November 11 2008, 04:46 AM   #38
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Here's my full review...

didn't think this episode was bad. It was cool to revisit the first season. But the retconning drove me crazy. This episode seemed to be trying to piss on everything that made the first season so good.

Especially with Sylar. So far we have learned in Season 3 that the reason he kills is because of "the hunger" and that he was manipulated by HRG. Sylar was awesome because he was so badass and he was proud of it. I'd rather Sylar made the decision to be evil instead of him being manipulated or having "the hunger" It makes his redemption much more compelling. But TPTB are attempting to sugarcoat his bloody past.

I liked Kristen Bell as Elle but this wasn't her character. The Elle we were introduced too in Season 2 was almost completely unhinged. She killed a guy with little provocation. She didn't worry about the soul. She's normal and nice here. I realize that HRG was a lot more morally ambigious when we first met him but seriously, he just let Sylar kill people and didn't do anything? The Company wanted proof of Sylar killing people...like probable cause has ever been a reason for them to snatch the superpowered. I always assumed Sylar came out of nowhere. But no, they knew about him all along.

I'm sorry but I find Arthur Petrelli to be very one-dimensional. There's nothing unique or charismatic about him. Robert Forster has portrayed him only one way. Dull and bland.

His scene at the end though was pretty cool. I'm sorry that African Issac was killed. He was killed.
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Old November 11 2008, 04:50 AM   #39
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Well.
Not much happened. Except Hiro discovering something we all knew for like 4 episodes: that Arthur is alive. Big fucking whoop.
And as far as filling in the holes...it just made the universe feel SOOO small.
Claire with ANOTHER uncle?
Her mom was the cause of the train fire?
Elle and HRG made Sylar go bad? (which is INCREDIBLY lame.)
And of course as soon as Arthur said, Well, I guess Nathan is going to have to die, I was WAY ahead of them with the car wreck.

This is what I would call a pot (not plot) filling episode. Needless things answered, that really weren't questions.

We are more than half way through this volume and not much has happened besides little things. It's been about the villians getting together....it's a 12 episode ORIGIN story.

And hell, this episode didn't need Hiro as a framing device AT ALL.

Basically, it was an hour of exposition...for stuff that happened TWO YEARS ago. It doesn't add to the CURRENT story...not that there's much going on with that.

Thank god they've fired some of the producers, perhaps there is hope for the next volume.
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Old November 11 2008, 04:51 AM   #40
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But TPTB are attempting to sugarcoat his bloody past.
boy are they, its lame just how badly they want you to feel sorry for him now.


EDIT: another frustrating thing, they never got into why the Petrellis gave up Gabriel.
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Old November 11 2008, 05:13 AM   #41
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I thought this episode was great. I said it after we first met Mr Petrelli that we needed a flashback episode to explain how he got to be how he was.
One thing I think Heros has done wrong since the beginning of Season2. They moved too fast with the plot and just used the characters to serve the plot. I find the show MUCH more interesting when they have the show serve the characters. When they go into details about the characters and things happen because of that. There is a difference. And that would help Hero's main problem. The whole plot and each seasons plots are to easy for them to shoot their load and then be left with nothing else to do but rehash the same save the world plot. Id rather they slow down and tell the story about the characters and not the "Save the world" plot...
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Old November 11 2008, 05:43 AM   #42
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I thought it was a pretty decent episode, I liked how they fit everything together (even if it wasn't 100% perfect).

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Old November 11 2008, 05:50 AM   #43
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Decent. There was a lot of interesting things going on, and I liked the way some stuff tied together, but the episode as a whole just didn't seem paced very well. It was slow, dull, and a lot of the sequences completely lacked any tension. Nonetheless, Cristine Rose almost singlehandedly made the episode still enjoyable.

Nice to see Eric Roberts again (he's always been one of my old man crushes). Sad about African Dude.
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Old November 11 2008, 05:51 AM   #44
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Flush.
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Old November 11 2008, 06:16 AM   #45
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It was no 6months ago, but it worked pretty well.
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