Smallville 8x07 "Identity" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILER>

[TGTheodore]

After all, Chloe was pronounced dead and is now walking around with no questions whatsoever being asked.

Asked and answered off-shot. You don't have to watch Captain Kirk go all the way from his cabin to the bridge to know how he got there.

--Ted

[Hermiod]

MeanJoePhaser wrote:

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So no one notices Chloe walking out of that guy's hospital room?

As much crazy shit as goes on, you'd think they'd have security cameras.

I imagine that if she wanted to she could easily make sure that the footage disappears.

I gave this a Above Average. No stupid convenient Kryptonite appearances and the season's plot moved forward quite well.

The Lex clone woman remains annoying, however.

[Aragorn]

TG Theodious1 wrote:

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Asked and answered off-shot. You don't have to watch Captain Kirk go all the way from his cabin to the bridge to know how he got there.

--Ted

Wow, you really go out of your way to defend the crappy writing on this show, don't you?

Of course, it may be because you consider it the pinnacle achievement of writing aspirations.

[nx1701g]

^ That was uncalled for.

[witchie]

I like Tess, but she's definitely becoming one-note. There was hope for the character when we learned her backstory with Oliver. Now, she's kinda on repeat. I wish they'd just come out and say she's creating the Legion of Doom, though to be honest...we don't even have the Justice League yet.

I really thought Chloe was going to shapeshift into James Marsters. I still can't believe she killed someone. I wonder if this was done to put her on the same level with Davis. Hmm...interesting season so far.

[nx1701g]

^ More likely to follow her new contractual obligations (required for each episode).

[Guy Gardener]

witchie wrote:

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I like Tess, but she's definitely becoming one-note. There was hope for the character when we learned her backstory with Oliver. Now, she's kinda on repeat. I wish they'd just come out and say she's creating the Legion of Doom, though to be honest...we don't even have the Justice League yet.

I really thought Chloe was going to shapeshift into James Marsters. I still can't believe she killed someone. I wonder if this was done to put her on the same level with Davis. Hmm...interesting season so far.

Now although brain death might be... it was probably personality erasure since in a hospital, even if he was reduced to having the mental faculties of a foetus, the hospital can keep his body running until his mind can relearn (Ururah in the Changeling.) it's basic systems management.

Sure, she's making the legion of Doom, but Tess is going to call her Group the Justice League. To wit Ollie will have to beat the crap out of them talk about irony and claim the name by right of conquest, kinda like when Luke cage and Atlas fought over the right to be called powerman... ironically however neither of the two of them now use that name.

What if instead of brainiac... Which seems to be too obvious... I mean, brainiac said it best "What are you?" ...Chloe has had numerous encounters with Jor-El, and really... What if she has always been a sleeper agent for the real Jor-El that the erratic answerphone message of Jor-El saw her as a decent fallback position after the destruction of the fortress?

[DarthPipes]

witchie wrote:

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I like Tess, but she's definitely becoming one-note. There was hope for the character when we learned her backstory with Oliver. Now, she's kinda on repeat. I wish they'd just come out and say she's creating the Legion of Doom, though to be honest...we don't even have the Justice League yet.

I really thought Chloe was going to shapeshift into James Marsters. I still can't believe she killed someone. I wonder if this was done to put her on the same level with Davis. Hmm...interesting season so far.

Agreed on Tess. I like her too but she has done little since the Ollie origin episode. As someone pointed out, she has two moods. Angry or about to become angry. She's capable of more.

[Agent Richard07]

TG Theodore wrote:

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No. She doesn't. Cloris Leachman looks more like Sarah Palin.

What about the voice? They both have that shrill, enthusiastic voice.

Anyhoo... I never thought that Chloe killed whats-his-face. I thought she just rendered him brain dead. They're debating this at KryptonSite. A lot of people there also believe he was killed.

[Donald Draper]

Agent Richard07 wrote:

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Anyhoo... I never thought that Chloe killed whats-his-face. I thought she just rendered him brain dead.

Is there any meaningful difference between the two? "Well she ONLY rendered him brain dead!" Does that make it less horrific? It was a very effective scene. Surprisingly effective for Smallville. This guy is gone regardless of whether his body is still breathing. It just seems like an odd thing to debate. Both have the same effect from a dramatic effect.

[Agent Richard07]

^ Well, I figure that in a lot of peoples' minds, it's somehow better if he's simply brain dead instead of dead dead. That way our hero Chloe doesn't have to be a murderer.

[nx1701g]

^ Personally I think brain dead is worse than dead dead.

[Donald Draper]

Agent Richard07 wrote:

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^ Well, I figure that in a lot of peoples' minds, it's somehow better if he's simply brain dead instead of dead dead. That way our hero Chloe doesn't have to be a murderer.

Ok I can see that. But what if Chloe had simply hit the guy over the head with a bat? The guy lives but is brain dead. The result is the same but different weapon.

Sorry to bring personal experience into this BUT my brother suffered a massive head injury when I was a kid. He fell during a work accident. He was Brain Dead. My parents decided not to keep his body alive by machine.

He was gone.

If a similar injury happened as a result of purposeful attack -
that would be murder.

Yeah, I know its just a tv show. Not trying to be overtly seriously here. This was almost 20 years and I barely remember him I was so young. Just giving my POV. Which is that my definition of "Brain Dead" has been ingrained in my mind for my whole life.

while I think this guy was murdered I think it was really Brainiac in control and not Chloe. Just my current take....

We will see.

[nx1701g]

^ First, I'm sorry to hear about your brother.

Second, I call her ChloeIAC

[Agent Richard07]

Donald Draper wrote:

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But what if Chloe had simply hit the guy over the head with a bat? The guy lives but is brain dead. The result is the same but different weapon.

Sorry to bring personal experience into this BUT my brother suffered a massive head injury when I was a kid. He fell during a work accident. He was Brain Dead. My parents decided not to keep his body alive by machine.

He was gone.

If a similar injury happened as a result of purposeful attack -
that would be murder.

Yeah, I know its just a tv show. Not trying to be overtly seriously here. This was almost 20 years and I barely remember him I was so young. Just giving my POV. Which is that my definition of "Brain Dead" has been ingrained in mind my whole lofr.

Sorry to hear about your brother. I don't have any experience with this myself. I was just going with how entertainment like Smallville generally handles the situation. Unless the good guy is a soldier, a cop or some sort of anti-hero, most shows and movies of this sort have the good guy putting the bad guy out of commission without actually killing them.

while I think this guy was murdered I think it was really Brainiac in control and not Chloe. Just my current take....

We will see.

Guess we will.