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Excellent 31 22.30%
Above Average 58 41.73%
Average 32 23.02%
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Old November 15 2008, 06:02 AM   #76
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Re: Quantum of Solace - Grading & Discussion

Wow, Ebert gave this movie two stars. And he's like the action film geek critic.
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Old November 15 2008, 06:22 AM   #77
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Bond was constantly thinking of Vesper, as several characters pointed out numerous times throughout the film. He just didn't go on about it. It was internalized and behind the eyes -except when he was killing people, which he seemed to relish until the climax.

At the end, he chooses the mission over revenge, squeezes Greene and leaves him to Quantum. When he doesn't kill the boyfriend, it's because he learned from Camille that the revenge he was seeking didn't actually bring closure or make things better. He killed bag-fulls of men in anger and it didn't make the pain go away. She had to find a new purpose and move on (helping with the rebuilding of Bolivia, redistributing the water supplies, etc). Bond decides to do the same and get back to the job of saving the world (which, incidently, will involve killing many more bag-fulls of men).

I thought it was a great counter-point to CR and really enjoyed it.

As an aside, anyone else notice that Marcus, the head vampire from the Blade series had a very brief, violent, knifey role as Slate? Must have been one of those "I'll play a stormtrooper if you just let me be in this movie" roles for him.
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Old November 15 2008, 06:27 AM   #78
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^ I mentioned Neil Jackson in, I think, my first post here. You can see him next year in the superpowers movie Push.
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Old November 15 2008, 07:34 AM   #79
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I liked Roger Moore's cameo on ALIAS a lot better than this one. Eh.
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Old November 15 2008, 08:00 AM   #80
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I wonder if they actually have a plan to cap this story or if the bad guys will become so big it'll be impossible to ever stop them.

Maybe they can get Brosnan, Dalton, Connery, Moore and Lazenby to play the level bosses.
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Old November 15 2008, 08:26 AM   #81
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As a standalone Bond movie, Quantum of Solace lacks a lot of stuff including Bond gadgets (and Q), Bond stunts, and a good Bond villain.

However, I believe QoS is still a very good installment of James Bond when viewed as the middle chapter of a story arc that started in Casino Royale. This time, Bond Girl Camille actually serves an important plot point rather than being just a simple sex object. Through her, Bond finally gets over his feelings for Vesper and has finally taken on the full mantel of James Bond. Putting the signature gun barrel at the end was very fitting.

The villain this time, Dominic Greene, is yet another "small fry" villain like Le Chiffre in CR. I can only hope that both Le Chiffre and Dominic Green are merely the Quantum's lower echelon of villain-bosses and as Bond uncovers more of Quantum's core operations, we get to meet better Bond adversaries.
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Old November 15 2008, 02:30 PM   #82
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Going to see it this afternoon!

Woot!
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Old November 15 2008, 02:55 PM   #83
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I went with above average, they continued the realism of Casino Royale but they upped the action and violence of that movie, the action was dizzying at times but I'm still curious about Quantum. And I liked the little nod to Goldfinger.
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Old November 15 2008, 06:38 PM   #84
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Tom Servo wrote:
So a bit off topic...but to anyone who saw it already, was there a Trek XI trailer attached to it?

YES!!!!!

Looked better than I thought it would. We'll see what happens.

I agree with the posters about Bond's rage. Of course he wasn't showing a huge range of emotions--he was only feeling one, rage. Leading to revenge.

Overall, I enjoyed the film. I wasn't expecting Shakespeare, just to be entertained and move the storyline along.

As for Quantum staying such a mystery--well how could one movie go from "We don't know anything about them, even that they existed" to "Yeah, here's the dirt on Quantum, this is what they're about, who're members, what they're doing and where they're doing it"?

It needs build up.

As for Bond/M--very nice attachment is shown. He says she acts like she sometimes thinks she his mother. And he dotes on her, in his way. And part of his reason for going (besides Vesper) is because "they tried to kill a friend of mine." M, I assume. But she worries about him, worries she's lost him to his rage. His line to her at the end, that he had "never left" was a nice touch: Reassurance that he's still there and that he's past his rage. Reproachment for doubting him in the first place.

I figured the reason Bond let the b/f live was because slow torture for info has got to be worse than a quick death at Bond's hands.

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Old November 15 2008, 07:35 PM   #85
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I just got back from seeing "Quantum of Solace" and I enjoyed it immensely. Not as much as I enjoyed Craig's first go in "Casino Royale".... but it was still worth seeing.

There were a few little burps and things that bugged me. For one, if Fields was an office worker of sorts, then why send her into the field to bring in Bond whom they believe has gone rogue?

As a bad guy... Dominic Greene was only okay. He didn't seem to have enough malevolence to him for a villain worth fearing.

Now... what I liked were the little touches. Craig seemed to convey the little nuances in facial expression. The touch of seeing Vesper's necklace left in the snow may have been obvious, but I still liked it as an indication that Bond was ready to move on, finally. Closing the film with the traditional Bond theme and iris effect... man I was a bit worried we wouldn't see it.!

I'm sure there's more I'm not thinking of at the moment, and after reading through the thread I will. But I liked the movie and will definitely get it on DVD when it comes out.
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Old November 15 2008, 07:36 PM   #86
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Have to agree with the critics on this one. There was lots of great looking action-- and some really stylish and well-edited set pieces-- but the story was so thin and flimsy it was hard to really CARE about any of it.

The movie was also sorely lacking a sense of fun and wit. And the villain was completely forgettable too.
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Old November 15 2008, 09:54 PM   #87
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^I agree. It looked good, but there was almost no story. I can barely even tell you what the plot was about.
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Old November 15 2008, 11:38 PM   #88
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I will be quick , so I can exorcise this film from my mind.

The Good: Danial Craig, Judi Dench, and Jeffrey Wright are excellent.

The Bad:
Terribly directed, and terribly written.

The Ugly: All that great Casino Royale build up wasted on some bizarre Roman Polanski pun? Really?!?
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Old November 15 2008, 11:46 PM   #89
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I thought the nod to "Goldfinger" was cool, though.
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Old November 15 2008, 11:51 PM   #90
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I thought the nod to "Goldfinger" was cool, though.
What nod to GoldFinger.
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