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Old December 22 2008, 05:11 AM   #1
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I suspect anyone who saw QoS also got the "2012" trailer.

My buddy and I had a strange reaction seeing this trailer as not much info is given in it and we both kind of looked at each other like: They advertised a movie 4 YEARS before its release?!

Turns out it's just the next Emmerich (Stargate, Indenpendence Day, Godzilla '98, The Day After Tomorrow, 10,000 B.C.) shit fest centered around the (supposed) end of the Earth in 2012 according to the Mayan calendar.

The ad starts with a series of title cards that says "How do you tell 6 Billion People The World is Going to End?!" then it shows some monk in the high mountains ringing a warning bell (?) as a huge flood (a'la TDAT/Deep Impact) washes over the mountains. Then it says "You Dont!"

Ummm, well. YEAH!


Interesting opening, but given Emmerich's, er... "track record" of making crap, I remain very, very cautious.
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Old December 22 2008, 05:13 AM   #2
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Scrooge4747 wrote: View Post
I suspect anyone who saw QoS also got the "2012" trailer.

My buddy and I had a strange reaction seeing this trailer as not much info is given in it and we both kind of looked at each other like: They advertised a movie 4 YEARS before its release?!

Turns out it's just the next Emmerich (Stargate, Indenpendence Day, Godzilla '98, The Day After Tomorrow, 10,000 B.C.) shit fest centered around the (supposed) end of the Earth in 2012 according to the Myan calendar.

The ad starts wit a series of title cards that says "How do you tell 6 Billion People The World is Going to End?!" then it shows some monk in the high mountains ringing a warning bell (?) as a huge flood (a'la TDAT/Deep Impact) washes over the mountains. Interesting opening, but given Emmerich's, er... "track record" of making crap, I remain very, very cautious.
When my wife and I saw the trailer, we had the same reaction. We both thought it had enormous cheese potential.
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Old December 22 2008, 05:16 AM   #3
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Independence Day was good.

Even though it's not going to happen, I wouldn't mind an X-Files movie coming out in 2012 to finish the alien invasion.
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Old December 22 2008, 05:54 AM   #4
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There have been past threads about 2012 in the scifi section but as I've said in the past, I can't wait to see him destroy New York again
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Old December 22 2008, 05:59 AM   #5
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For the record, I love The Day After Tomorrow. I like predictable distaster films in general, but that's my favorite.


Also, it's not just the Mayan Calender - Nostradamus predicted 2012. Also some other folks, I don't remember which though.

My youth pastor, JUST FOR FUN, also did some math with bible numbers and came up with 2012 =)


As long as there is a steamy romance in this 2012 movie, I'll watch it. That's what disaster films are good for . :-)

Oh, and also seeing New York get destroyed. That's the best part...
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Old December 22 2008, 06:14 AM   #6
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Independence Day is incredibly successful popcorn entertainment (take it beyond that and you're destined to be disappointed). The same goes for Stargate.

Beyond those two films (and, I admit, I haven't seen any of his earlier ones) there's not much to shout about. Day After Tomorrow is absurd, Godzilla was supposed to be a good disaster movie but ended up being a disaster of a movie, and The Patriot is ahistorical crap.

Given the trailer of 2012 (it shouts cheese) I'm not getting my hopes up. I, for one, would prefer an X-Files 2012 movie to this.
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Old December 22 2008, 10:23 AM   #7
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The ad starts wit a series of title cards that says "How do you tell 6 Billion People The World is Going to End?!" then it shows some monk in the high mountains ringing a warning bell (?) as a huge flood (a'la TDAT/Deep Impact) washes over the mountains.
My girlfriend and I got a real kick out of that...It reminded me of something Douglas Adams would have written. "Hey! We had a warning system in place. It's not our fault you weren't paying attention."
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Old December 28 2008, 05:21 PM   #8
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I think...and I maybe wrong but 2012 is based off the Whitney Strieber book 2012: The War For Souls which is kind of complex and about reptillian aliens from another dimension attempting to take human souls from two alternate worlds, ours, and another. If this movie is indeed based on that...I wonder how faithful it will be to the novel? The Day After Tomorrow was taken from the Art Bell and Whitney Strieber non-fiction book called The Coming Global Superstorm...
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Old December 28 2008, 06:18 PM   #9
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Also, it's not just the Mayan Calender - Nostradamus predicted 2012. Also some other folks, I don't remember which though.
Myth, myth, myth. The Mayan calendar doesn't say anything about the world ending in 2012 -- that's just when the current Great Cycle of the Mayan Long Count calendar ends and the next one begins. It's no more the end of the world than 2000 was the end of the world -- it's just when the odometer rolls over. There is nothing in actual Mayan belief which describes the end of the Great Cycle as the end of the world -- that's a modern misinterpretation some guy made up only 22 years ago, using inept scholarship to co-opt the Mayan calendar to fit his New Age ideology (and, most likely, his desire to make money by selling sensationalist books).

As for Nostradamus, his predictions only prove "true" when mistranslated after the fact. If you look at accurate translations, they're just vague stuff that doesn't really correlate to anything at all. People are constantly rewording them, changing the dates and details, even blatantly inventing false verses and claiming Nostradamus wrote them. This is the same deal -- Nostradamus's actual predictions go as far forward as 3786 or 3797, depending on what source you use, so this idea that he predicted the world ending in 2012 is a total fabrication to tie into Arguelles's Mayan-calendar hysteria. All the stuff about other cultures around the world predicting an apocalypse on the same date is equally a lie.
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Old December 28 2008, 06:57 PM   #10
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Also, it's not just the Mayan Calender - Nostradamus predicted 2012. Also some other folks, I don't remember which though.
Myth, myth, myth. The Mayan calendar doesn't say anything about the world ending in 2012 -- that's just when the current Great Cycle of the Mayan Long Count calendar ends and the next one begins. It's no more the end of the world than 2000 was the end of the world -- it's just when the odometer rolls over. There is nothing in actual Mayan belief which describes the end of the Great Cycle as the end of the world -- that's a modern misinterpretation some guy made up only 22 years ago, using inept scholarship to co-opt the Mayan calendar to fit his New Age ideology (and, most likely, his desire to make money by selling sensationalist books).

As for Nostradamus, his predictions only prove "true" when mistranslated after the fact. If you look at accurate translations, they're just vague stuff that doesn't really correlate to anything at all. People are constantly rewording them, changing the dates and details, even blatantly inventing false verses and claiming Nostradamus wrote them. This is the same deal -- Nostradamus's actual predictions go as far forward as 3786 or 3797, depending on what source you use, so this idea that he predicted the world ending in 2012 is a total fabrication to tie into Arguelles's Mayan-calendar hysteria. All the stuff about other cultures around the world predicting an apocalypse on the same date is equally a lie.

I was going to say that but not as nicely.

The Mayan calendar ends in 2012, doesn't mean the world does, just means that's the year they ended on.

Nostradamus is like "The Bible Code", in other words made up bullshit. Nostradamus wasn't talking about the future, he was referring to current events and making them take place in the future. If he came out and said "The king is a crazy man", he would have his head cut off. Make the "story" take place in the future, and no issues.

However the way the world is there is a good chance we will all die in 2012.
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Old December 28 2008, 08:37 PM   #11
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Oh I was wrong about this 2012...the 2012 The War For Souls is currently optioned out as a potential film adaption by Michael Bay of all directors, after you read the book you'll understand why that seems like an okay choice. This just looks like another natural diasaster film.
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Old December 28 2008, 08:50 PM   #12
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They don't make disaster movies like they used to...

If only this movie was coming out in Sensurround.
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Old December 28 2008, 08:54 PM   #13
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Myth, myth, myth. The Mayan calendar doesn't say anything about the world ending in 2012 -- that's just when the current Great Cycle of the Mayan Long Count calendar ends and the next one begins. It's no more the end of the world than 2000 was the end of the world -- it's just when the odometer rolls over. There is nothing in actual Mayan belief which describes the end of the Great Cycle as the end of the world -- that's a modern misinterpretation some guy made up only 22 years ago, using inept scholarship to co-opt the Mayan calendar to fit his New Age ideology (and, most likely, his desire to make money by selling sensationalist books).

As for Nostradamus, his predictions only prove "true" when mistranslated after the fact. If you look at accurate translations, they're just vague stuff that doesn't really correlate to anything at all. People are constantly rewording them, changing the dates and details, even blatantly inventing false verses and claiming Nostradamus wrote them. This is the same deal -- Nostradamus's actual predictions go as far forward as 3786 or 3797, depending on what source you use, so this idea that he predicted the world ending in 2012 is a total fabrication to tie into Arguelles's Mayan-calendar hysteria. All the stuff about other cultures around the world predicting an apocalypse on the same date is equally a lie.
It is, however, when the aliens invade.
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Old December 28 2008, 09:30 PM   #14
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The Mayan calendar ends in 2012, doesn't mean the world does, just means that's the year they ended on.
And it isn't even the end of the calendar, just the end of the current Great Cycle of the calendar and the start of the next one.

Nostradamus wasn't talking about the future, he was referring to current events and making them take place in the future. If he came out and said "The king is a crazy man", he would have his head cut off. Make the "story" take place in the future, and no issues.
Well, that's one interpretation. Kinda like how the Biblical "Number of the Beast" is believed to be a coded reference to the Emperor Nero; the letters of Nero's name in a certain Hebrew numbering system (that used letters to represent numbers, like Roman numerals) correspond to six hundred and sixty six, so since Christians couldn't openly criticize Nero for persecuting their sect, they encoded their protests by writing that the number 666 was the symbol of the Devil.

There's also the fact that much of what Michel de Nostredame wrote was actually a transcription or translation into French of earlier sources. So he wasn't so much making prophecies as reporting and cataloguing earlier astrologers' prophecies.
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Old December 28 2008, 09:31 PM   #15
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bigdaddy wrote: View Post
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Also, it's not just the Mayan Calender - Nostradamus predicted 2012. Also some other folks, I don't remember which though.
Myth, myth, myth. The Mayan calendar doesn't say anything about the world ending in 2012 -- that's just when the current Great Cycle of the Mayan Long Count calendar ends and the next one begins. It's no more the end of the world than 2000 was the end of the world -- it's just when the odometer rolls over. There is nothing in actual Mayan belief which describes the end of the Great Cycle as the end of the world -- that's a modern misinterpretation some guy made up only 22 years ago, using inept scholarship to co-opt the Mayan calendar to fit his New Age ideology (and, most likely, his desire to make money by selling sensationalist books).

As for Nostradamus, his predictions only prove "true" when mistranslated after the fact. If you look at accurate translations, they're just vague stuff that doesn't really correlate to anything at all. People are constantly rewording them, changing the dates and details, even blatantly inventing false verses and claiming Nostradamus wrote them. This is the same deal -- Nostradamus's actual predictions go as far forward as 3786 or 3797, depending on what source you use, so this idea that he predicted the world ending in 2012 is a total fabrication to tie into Arguelles's Mayan-calendar hysteria. All the stuff about other cultures around the world predicting an apocalypse on the same date is equally a lie.

I was going to say that but not as nicely.

The Mayan calendar ends in 2012, doesn't mean the world does, just means that's the year they ended on.

Nostradamus is like "The Bible Code", in other words made up bullshit. Nostradamus wasn't talking about the future, he was referring to current events and making them take place in the future. If he came out and said "The king is a crazy man", he would have his head cut off. Make the "story" take place in the future, and no issues.

However the way the world is there is a good chance we will all die in 2012.

hey hey, I wasn't saying I believed any Nostradamus future crap :-P

Also, I know with the Mayan thing it's the end of a cycle and not the end of the world. The end of the world as we know it, maybe.

Still, to reiterate- I don't believe any of it. I just think it's amusing coincidences.
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