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View Poll Results: Grade "Star Trek: Destiny: Mere Mortals"
Excellent 98 77.78%
Above Average 15 11.90%
Average 10 7.94%
Below Average 1 0.79%
Poor 2 1.59%
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Old November 1 2008, 05:00 AM   #76
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While I am still convinced that the Caeliar be related to the Borg, I did stumble upon something when I was going through the book again that might be problematic. On Page 110, second full paragraph from the bottom, Inyx explains to Hernandez: "Because the passage of our cities and the others in the past has resulted in no detectable change of the timeline, we have deduced that these events must have occurred in the timeline that we consider standard."

Now, I find it hard to think that the Caeliar hadn't noticed the huge difference in the timeline that there are suddenly millions of Borg running about assimilating everyone.
But that's the whole point of Inyx's statement -- that the event didn't alter the timeline, it recursively caused the events that were already part of the timeline. It's a "predestination paradox," like how the Enterprise going back in time and intercepting Gary Seven was just a part of how events in 1968 had "always" happened.
And definitely see it that way now. Originally though I was reading it as "We and the other cities managed to lay low and as far as we can tell our travels had no effect on the timeline AT ALL."

Which I see isn't the case, and as I tried to express in my post I really appreciate seeing. It is nice to not see the "before" and "after" version of time travel. . .Just that things are as they are.

This is all, assuming of course, that the initial assumption that somehow the Caeliar gave rise to the Borg is correct, which I am sure you will neither confirm nor deny
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Old November 1 2008, 01:32 PM   #77
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He probably could, but then he'd have to kill you, so you wouldn't be able to read the book.

I'm awaiting the arrival of the book, if all goes well, it supposed to arrive today.
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Old November 1 2008, 05:01 PM   #78
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One more thing that I forgot to add to my mini review is how I felt about the Borg invasion. It was absolutely chilling. 7,000 cubes! This is what I have been waiting for forever.
Somewhat overkill with the number of cubes committed to the destruction of the federation, but I guess the Borg aren't taking any chances. Or perhaps it's a slow day in the collective and most of those cubes aren't needed elsewhere in the galaxy.
To quote Morpheus from The Matrix Reloaded: "Sentinel for every man, woman, and child in Zion. That sounds *exactly* like the thinking of a machine to me."
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Old November 1 2008, 06:31 PM   #79
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But that's the whole point of Inyx's statement -- that the event didn't alter the timeline, it recursively caused the events that were already part of the timeline. It's a "predestination paradox," like how the Enterprise going back in time and intercepting Gary Seven was just a part of how events in 1968 had "always" happened.
I think the preferred term is "self-consistent causal loop."
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Old November 1 2008, 07:23 PM   #80
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That was RIDICULOUSLY good! Holy crap!

I think I'm the only one that isn't sick of the Borg. I was only sick of lame Borg. But you guys have done a great job of making the Borg scary again, starting with PAD's book.

The underlying dread of the Borg through the Destiny trilogy is outstanding. Their victory seems completely inevitable.

Question for David Mack, though he really shouldn't answer it:
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Old November 1 2008, 09:02 PM   #81
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When did this come out? I went to Borders today and couldn't find it.
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Old November 1 2008, 09:23 PM   #82
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That was RIDICULOUSLY good! Holy crap!

I think I'm the only one that isn't sick of the Borg. I was only sick of lame Borg. But you guys have done a great job of making the Borg scary again, starting with PAD's book.

The underlying dread of the Borg through the Destiny trilogy is outstanding. Their victory seems completely inevitable.
Thanks. I'm glad that the story is working for you.

Question for David Mack, though he really shouldn't answer it:
You're right, I'm not going to answer that. After all, there's still one book left to go in the trilogy.
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Old November 1 2008, 09:28 PM   #83
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Found two typos in the sample of book three.





Still one of the best damn stories I've ever read.
Ah well, while we're at Typos in the Destiny books: I haven't even started GoN yet, but in the quote in front of the story by Bertolt Brecht "Krieg" should be written with a capital K. Although I'm not sure if it's really a typo or if it is written that way in the text David has, since I edited the same typo in the interview I had with him.

My ridiculously tiny nitpick is "degrees kelvin" - it's supposed to be just "kelvins".
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Old November 1 2008, 09:46 PM   #84
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When did this come out? I went to Borders today and couldn't find it.
You can go to Borders website and see if the local shops have the book in stock and if so, place a hold for it at the shop you want to go to. Then if they can actually find it, they'll hold it and email you back and then you can go pick it up.
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Old November 1 2008, 09:48 PM   #85
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I have not yet finished Gods of the Night yet, but if Mere Mortals is anything near as good, it's not average. I'd like to know who voted average and why.
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Old November 1 2008, 11:40 PM   #86
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OK, I just finished 'Mere Mortals'.

This book ups the ante over 'Gods of Night', where we have a first look at the true consequences of the Borg threat (as mentioned already). I also agree that there were a lot of similarities between this book's ending and TBOBW Part 1's cliffhanger. My only problem would be that we know the Borg aren't going to reach all of their destinations, and it's somewhat clear that either the powered Erika Hernandez or the Caeliar will be the key to stopping them. I did like the last scene with Bacco, where she was feeling absolutely powerless. I would have liked to see more discussion about using the thalaron weapon as a last-resort.

I enjoyed seeing the Hirogen again, even if I don't remember them using those energy dampening weapons in the past. Those things were really powerful. I liked the return of the TR-116 projectile rifle, even if the Hirogen didn't give the Enterprise security officers the time to use the micro-transporter.

Summary Positives:
-Upping the ante with the Borg
-Hirogen battle
-Bacco negotiations with the major powers/Garak scenes
-Overall story

Summary Negatives:
-Seven acting very odd throughout
-Troi becoming somewhat annoying
-The scenes in the past with the Columbia survivors dragged too frequently
-I felt like the Geordi/Beverly concerns about Picard's state from 'GoN' were forgotten

And finally, a question for David: those 'children of the storm' aliens that the Enterprise encountered in the Delta Quadrant...did you create those or have they appeared in past ST canon or literature? I don't recall.
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Old November 1 2008, 11:51 PM   #87
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And finally, a question for David: those 'children of the storm' aliens that the Enterprise encountered in the Delta Quadrant...did you create those or have they appeared in past ST canon or literature? I don't recall.
Those are one of my creations; I've left them there as a possible point of interest for other authors — for instance, perhaps in a future Voyager tale…
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Old November 1 2008, 11:51 PM   #88
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When did this come out? I went to Borders today and couldn't find it.
My local Borders had the book on Tuesday.

To my surprise, they received more copies of Mere Mortal than they did of Gods of Night.
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Old November 2 2008, 12:14 AM   #89
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Summary Negatives:
-Seven acting very odd throughout
-Troi becoming somewhat annoying
I will admit that Troi was acting annoying, but then considering her situation maybe it is understandable.

As far as Seven is concerned, I have heard people commenting that her behavior was out of character. Now, I can't speak as someone well acquainted with Voyager in general or Seven in specific. I am just now starting to enjoy watching it, and that is only when I can randomly catch it on Spike. But I thought Seven was acting appropriately. It seems to me as if she is the only one--with the exception of Picard--who actually understands the gravity of the situation. She knows exactly what is going down and what the consequences will be. Everyone else is acting naive. And I think the thing with Jellico was a last ditch effort to get him to understand. It kind of reminded me of Guinan and Picard fencing and Guinan fakes an injury to defeat Picard in "I, Borg." Of course the context was significantly different, but I did think immediately of that scene.

So, long post made short, I liked the way Seven was acting, and I was satisfied at the end with the 7,000 cubes showing up, and I wanted to hear Seven tell Jellico "I told you so!"
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Old November 2 2008, 12:16 AM   #90
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And finally, a question for David: those 'children of the storm' aliens that the Enterprise encountered in the Delta Quadrant...did you create those or have they appeared in past ST canon or literature? I don't recall.
Those are one of my creations; I've left them there as a possible point of interest for other authors — for instance, perhaps in a future Voyager tale…
I guess you are confirming that my suspicion that they will play a role in Lost Souls is incorrect. I thought they would play a part in the origin of the Borg story I am expecting.

I certainly hope someone picks up that point of interest!
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