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Old October 30 2008, 03:48 PM   #121
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^^^

Yes, and those other shots show that the navigation console moved around a bit, especially during WNMHGB... so canonically, the lower bridge platform must rotate!
And there is no reason why it couldn't and many reasons why it would be nice if it did.
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Old October 30 2008, 05:56 PM   #122
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The bridge is like a merry-go-round. The kids love it. But it never quiiiite lines up afterwards.
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Old October 30 2008, 05:58 PM   #123
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Interesting... I don't think I've ever seen that shot before... Any other pics to corroborate that?
It's, you know, from the actual episode.
More caps from that scene here:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/thum...lbum=24&page=3
There can be only one logical explanation: multiple nearly identical bridges!
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Old October 30 2008, 06:28 PM   #124
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Either that, or we'll be having Carl Spock along soon to explain the differences between normal three-dimensional space, subspace, fluid space, folded space, seven-, nine- and eleven-dimensional space and...

...funky space.
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Old October 30 2008, 07:07 PM   #125
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The episode where Kirk peers into the shrunken ship from the port side and above? And the people inside still see his face smack in the middle of the viewscreen?

It would seem to solidly confirm that the viewscreen merely replays imagery from exterior cameras, some of which are pointed (or can be pointed) to the upper left of the bridge. Certainly Kirk cannot be looking through a window there, not from that angle.
If the bridge really is rotated 36 deg to port (as the off center turbolift suggests) then Kirk was approximately in 'front' of the bridge. Also, the reverse angle used to show the crewmen frozen in position implied (IMO) that Kirk was able to see them this way. So to say (as CRA did upthread) that the notion of the viewscreen being a 'window' was never suggested in the show is not entirely correct.

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Old October 31 2008, 03:46 AM   #126
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The episode where Kirk peers into the shrunken ship from the port side and above? And the people inside still see his face smack in the middle of the viewscreen?

It would seem to solidly confirm that the viewscreen merely replays imagery from exterior cameras, some of which are pointed (or can be pointed) to the upper left of the bridge. Certainly Kirk cannot be looking through a window there, not from that angle.

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Besides, we're talking about a third season episode. Technical consistency was spotty at best.

We really don't know what exactly Kirk was looking at (maybe at some frozen crewmen through a window on Deck 2), only that his grumpy mug was filling the viewscreen.

As for the turbolift offset debate, as far as the producers and writers were concerned, the bridge faced forward, and if the turbolift was thought of at all, they just figured it slid off to the side before moving down (note how fast the two turbolifts arrive in "Squire of Gothos"; impossible if we're talking one vertical shaft, not to mention the time or two we see the motion indicator moving sideways before arriving at the bridge).

I just take the nubbin on the back of the dome out of play completely and make it the subspace radio transceiver array.
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Old October 31 2008, 03:53 AM   #127
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I just take the nubbin on the back of the dome out of play completely and make it the subspace radio transceiver array.
If you can play fast and loose with the geometry of the Enterprise, why can't Abrams and Co.?

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Old October 31 2008, 05:31 AM   #128
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Where was it ever specified in the series just what that thing was?

Besides, I'm not doing anything more or less out of line than what they did back in the day, since it becomes clear after some research that, while they did work things out a lot more than other shows of the day *coughcoughLostInSpacecoughcough*, they didn't go to the nth degree like current shows and make sure the interior matched up with the exterior. It made sense, it worked, and who's gonna care in ten years anyway? Move on to the next item, like getting ready for the next five episodes that are in preproduction and making sure we make our airdates.

Also, I'm just a shmuck doodling on my laptop. What I do isn't gonna have any impact on the franchise, unless something changes at Pocket and they decide they do want to print my deck plans. And even then, any impact would be debatable.

What Abrams is doing has the potential to bring the whole thing to a screeching halt.

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Old October 31 2008, 06:12 AM   #129
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What Abrams is doing has the potential to bring the whole thing to a screeching halt.
The key is that it has potential. Until that's realized, you don't know whether it's going to hinder or aid Star Trek.

I have a feeling that there's more than meets the eye to what we've seen so far anyway.

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Old November 18 2008, 07:49 PM   #130
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Ooh, anyone want to give another shot at it, now that we've seen the trailer?

Notably, I believe this is the first bridge design EVER to do something constructive with the forward area of the "pit" design. In the original TOS bridge, most TOS movie bridges, and arguably the Enterprise-E, the forward part of the sunken "pit" in the bridge is one of the most unused areas of any set. In practice this is the ideal area for the movie cameras to sit to shoot action, but in-context it's a giant, generally useless part of the compartment, sunken below the helm console for no real reason. Here, they actually put in secondary consoles for four people. Bravo!

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Old November 18 2008, 09:18 PM   #131
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Yeah, it's a pretty good idea, a good use of what is normally empty space.

Is it just me, or is the bridge much wider than long?
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Old November 18 2008, 09:57 PM   #132
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Yep, it's an oval.

The original TOS Enterprise had stations on the upper ring going right up almost to either side of the main viewer. The inner, lower area of the bridge was about seventeen feet in diameter.
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Old November 18 2008, 09:59 PM   #133
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I think it's a couple deceiving angles.
No, later in the series, there'd be no why a close-up on the navigator would show the turbolift door -- the communications station was directly behind:

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...sevenhd534.jpg

Not true in WNMHGB...
Well, damn. I stand corrected.
Well bugger me, ive never ever ever noticed that. All the times ive watch WNMHGB and ive never noticed.

Although, some anlges seem decieving. However, its like Requiem for Methusilah, where Checkov is seen in his chair, with a console smack bang behind him.
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Old November 18 2008, 10:05 PM   #134
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No, later in the series, there'd be no why a close-up on the navigator would show the turbolift door -- the communications station was directly behind:

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...sevenhd534.jpg

Not true in WNMHGB...
Well, damn. I stand corrected.
Well bugger me, ive never ever ever noticed that. All the times ive watch WNMHGB and ive never noticed.

Although, some anlges seem decieving. However, its like Requiem for Methusilah, where Checkov is seen in his chair, with a console smack bang behind him.
I read that it was done to save time when shooting... because Uhura would be in the shot without need to shift the camera position.
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Old November 18 2008, 10:14 PM   #135
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Ok, These new shots of the bridge are pretty useful, though the forward part is still a bit vague.

There are two hostess stations, and two exits.


Not only is the viewer huge (and not a window), it's also closer to the helm consol, methinks.




I like the new stations in front, but the stations in the back...Why is the lip of the station a foot thick? That woman in blue in the back has her knees up against it! She can't fit her legs under the consol. Seems very strange.
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