RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,579
Posts: 5,403,181
Members: 24,865
Currently online: 470
Newest member: shyrim

TrekToday headlines

October-November 2014 Trek Conventions And Appearances
By: T'Bonz on Sep 30

Cho Selfie TV Alert
By: T'Bonz on Sep 30

TPTB To Shatner: Shhh!
By: T'Bonz on Sep 30

Mystery Mini Vinyl Figure Display Box
By: T'Bonz on Sep 29

The Red Shirt Diaries Episode Five
By: T'Bonz on Sep 29

Shatner In Trek 3? Well Maybe
By: T'Bonz on Sep 28

Retro Review: Shadows and Symbols
By: Michelle on Sep 27

Meyer: Revitalizing Star Trek
By: T'Bonz on Sep 26

Trek Costumes To Be Auctioned
By: T'Bonz on Sep 25

Hulu Snaps up Abrams-Produced Drama
By: T'Bonz on Sep 25


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Misc. Star Trek > Trek Tech

Trek Tech Pass me the quantum flux regulator, will you?

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old November 12 2008, 08:35 AM   #1
CuttingEdge100
Commodore
 
CuttingEdge100's Avatar
 
Romulan Bird of Prey Question

The Romulan BoP is officially like ~130 meters like?

Is the size listed an accurate size figure? I mean the rim is two decks thick and looks to be a lot bigger than that...


CuttingEdge100
CuttingEdge100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 12 2008, 08:42 AM   #2
Timo
Admiral
 
Re: Romulan Bird of Prey Question

"Accurate" would depend on the context. The lifesize prop used in ST4:TVH would indicate a very small vessel, perhaps just 50 meters in length. Comparisons of the photographic model against other photographic models give sizes ranging from 80 meters to several hundreds of meters. Comparisons of the photographic model against real backgrounds, theoretically available from ST4, are inconclusive, but the rough 130 m length is suggested in the matte work of that movie, and of ST3; the prop, only properly seen in the final sinking scene, might have to be disregarded.

Also, the comparisons in space shots might be taken to indicate the existence of two different sizes of craft, plus an optical illusion that is perhaps related to the presence of a cloaking device aboard these ships. Perhaps the cloak comes with a "cat in a corner" mode, and regularly makes the ships look slightly larger than they really are? Or perhaps this is a common involuntary side effect or malfunction in the cloak?

If we drop the cloak theory, we probably have to believe that Klingons build at least a dozen differently sized but identically shaped variants of the design...

Timo Saloniemi
Timo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 12 2008, 02:57 PM   #3
GodThingFormerly
A Different Kind of Asshole
 
Location: An "American" in Friedrichshafen, Deutschland
Re: Romulan Bird of Prey Question

^ I'm under the (possibly mistaken) impression that the OP was asking about Wah Chang's Romulan BoP miniature as featured in the TOS episodes Balance of Terror and The Deadly Years.

TGT
GodThingFormerly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 12 2008, 03:30 PM   #4
Timo
Admiral
 
Re: Romulan Bird of Prey Question

Ah, it pays to read more than 20% of message content. Sorry!

Rim windows might not be the best possible way to judge starship sizes when one considers the case of the Enterprise... But we don't really have any other means of judging the size. None of the exterior windows were seen from the inside, and there were no comparisons against objects of known size.

That is, until the re-effecting of "The Enterprise Incident". There, the formation shot establishes the native Romulan vessel as having the same width as the Klingon-style cruisers, albeit with a big fudge factor. Perhaps 130 meters is still within tolerances, but something slightly larger would better fit the bill.

Timo Saloniemi
Timo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 14 2008, 02:10 AM   #5
CuttingEdge100
Commodore
 
CuttingEdge100's Avatar
 
Re: Romulan Bird of Prey Question

Timo,

The rim-windows could roughly infer deck size, which determines the thickness of the rim. With that determined you could then determine the size of the rest of the ship.


CuttingEdge100
CuttingEdge100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 14 2008, 09:12 AM   #6
Timo
Admiral
 
Re: Romulan Bird of Prey Question

But in that case, Kirk's TOS ship should be 1,500 feet long, not 1,000.

Which may of course be true. But in that case, some of the scaling choices in TMP are invalidated. Unless the refit shrunk the ship by a third...

Timo Saloniemi
Timo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 14 2008, 09:16 AM   #7
CuttingEdge100
Commodore
 
CuttingEdge100's Avatar
 
Re: Romulan Bird of Prey Question

Timo,

Are you serious? A 20 foot rim thickness would produce a 1,500 foot long vessel?
CuttingEdge100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 14 2008, 10:48 AM   #8
Timo
Admiral
 
Re: Romulan Bird of Prey Question

Well, the assumption that each of the two window rows represents one deck would mean that the rim of Kirk's ship in fact has three decks if not four, considering the placement of those windows and the amount of empty wall above and below. Which gives the extra one-third or more to the size.

The Romulan TOS ship looks more like it could have just two decks, both of which would have a row of windows. But the ENT version again seems to have two window rows but three decks there.

Timo Saloniemi
Timo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 14 2008, 07:54 PM   #9
CuttingEdge100
Commodore
 
CuttingEdge100's Avatar
 
Re: Romulan Bird of Prey Question

Timo,

Each window isn't a whole deck high -- if you look at the windows in most houses, they're not the full floor-height.

If you're talking about the positioning of the windows -- I think this would be more a matter of incorrect window-placement on the model. The TMP model also has small surface-detail errors of that sort... (dock-hatch size, size of the O-lounge windows)


CuttingEdge100
CuttingEdge100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:58 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.