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Old October 22 2008, 12:25 AM   #91
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I have a hard time believing that these people all graduated together - some of them before Kirk, maybe - and yet years later he's in command and many of them are still junior officers. We know Kirk was a Wunderkind, but still...
I don't get where the idea that they graduated together is coming from. According to Kevin Smith's comments, the characters are introduced one at a time, not all in a bunch. And the film clearly spans many years.
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Old October 22 2008, 12:31 AM   #92
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Perhaps, but the AICN footage seems to suggest that Kirk, Spock, Uhura and McCoy all leave the academy at the same time and go to the Enterprise while its under the command of Pike. Sulu was already there. I don't think its likely to show any time frame much later than Kirk's first deep space mission - certainly nothing with him being a commissioned Captain in official command of the Enterprise, as we saw him in TOS.
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Old October 22 2008, 03:54 AM   #93
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^^What do you mean by "AICN footage?" I've heard some rumors from there, but AICN rumors are notoriously unreliable.

And the photos we've seen show McCoy with Commander's stripes on his uniform. There's no way he'd earn that rank just out of the Academy.

Besides, the producers and others have repeatedly said in interviews that this film is consistent with what's been established in past canon. Canonically, Kirk's first ship out of the Academy was the Farragut under Captain Garrovick.
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Old October 22 2008, 06:33 AM   #94
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Thanks for the inside info mate. It puts paid to my over/under nacelle theory. I guess Mr. Knowles over at AICN really can't tell the difference between a nacelle and a deflector pod/secondary hull.
Not a problem, I wish the guy wasan't so tight lipped. Of course, if I were facing possible legal action from NDA violation I would be too. As for Harry Knowles, I understand he's more of a Star Wars fan so I can't disparage his ignorance.
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Old October 22 2008, 07:16 AM   #95
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^^What do you mean by "AICN footage?" I've heard some rumors from there, but AICN rumors are notoriously unreliable.

And the photos we've seen show McCoy with Commander's stripes on his uniform. There's no way he'd earn that rank just out of the Academy.
If Starfleet is anything like our military, Doctors don't GO to the academy. They go to med school, enlist, and get a short stint in officer's training. And as a rule they enter service as a mid-level officer (captain or major in the army, or lt.senior or lt cdr in the navy) due to their being professional people with YEARS of work past normal college graduation.


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Old October 22 2008, 07:42 AM   #96
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...Of course, plenty of the other officers aboard yer average starship appear to be gifted academicians, too. Despite his grease monkey facade, Scotty might well be twice as educated as McCoy, for example. Being a MD might not be quite that special in the 23rd century any more.

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Old October 22 2008, 01:02 PM   #97
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I've just noticed a possible new design astetic with the Kelvin (and possibility the Enterprise as well).

There doesn't appear to be any windows along the saucer's edge.


This shot is in motion (look at the stars) so some details are blurred, but there are some windows on the rim, and probably more of them hidden behind that green ship. From their position it almost looks like the rim might be more like 3 or 4 decks thick!

Also, it almost looks like there might be 3 forward ports like on the TOS ENT, but they are not lit.

And call me crazy, but that really looks like a row of windows on the front of the bridge. Though, if the ship is big enough there might be a ready room or lounge in front of the bridge. This is supported by the bridge cieling dome being so tiny in comparison to the bridge structure itself.

If this ship is supposed to be older/smaller than the Enterprise, the ENT herself could end up being...kinda way way bigger than 947 feet.

I originally thought the two little blue lights on the rim were windows, however I've changed my mind and believe they're part of the RCS.

I also noticed the 3 forward darkened sensors/windows/whatever they are calling them- and assumed they were "shut" for battle...

On the bridge, I noted that the shadows are cast to the right of the gribbles (the light coming from the left obviously), and seemed to look like phaser nipples.

So that's what I'm sticking to until things become more clear.
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Old October 22 2008, 01:23 PM   #98
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On the bridge, I noted that the shadows are cast to the right of the gribbles
Shadows, or motion blur? The dots on "U.S.S." seem to have the same sort of shadowing...

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Old October 22 2008, 03:11 PM   #99
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...Of course, plenty of the other officers aboard yer average starship appear to be gifted academicians, too. Despite his grease monkey facade, Scotty might well be twice as educated as McCoy, for example.
Simon Pegg has described Scotty in interviews as an "astrophysicist." Which seems an odd label for an engineer, so maybe he used the wrong term. But it does imply that Scotty does have academic cred in the movie's formulation.
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Old October 22 2008, 04:21 PM   #100
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Simon Pegg has described Scotty in interviews as an "astrophysicist." Which seems an odd label for an engineer, so maybe he used the wrong term. But it does imply that Scotty does have academic cred in the movie's formulation.
"Scotty came up through the ranks and his practical education is as broad as his formal training in Engineering." - Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek Writer & Director's Guide (Bible) dated April 17, 1967.

I am perfectly sanguine with the idea of Scotty having earned a PhD in astronautical engineering while on an academic sabbatical from Starfleet, but there is really no indication in TOS that he possessed any particular fascination with strange astronomical phenomena beyond how their proximity negatively impacted upon the smooth operation of his beloved Enterprise. On the other hand, Pegg - being a mere actor - undoubtedly couldn't tell the difference between astrophysics and astroturf even if you put a loaded gun to his microcephalic head.

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Old October 22 2008, 04:40 PM   #101
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Yet it should be remembered that being an astrophysicist in the TOS era compares to having working experience at Wendy's. According to "Where No Man", Sulu was an astrophysicist before moving up to the more challenging work of helmsmanship...

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Old October 22 2008, 05:22 PM   #102
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According to "Where No Man", Sulu was an astrophysicist before moving up to the more challenging work of helmsmanship...
Although judging from the news about the movie, it now looks as though Sulu started out at the helm and only took a brief side trip into astrophysics. Maybe he was filling in for someone else. And Piper was filling in for McCoy, and Alden was filling in for Uhura, and Mitchell and a whole string of navigators were filling in for Chekov...
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Old October 22 2008, 05:32 PM   #103
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Yet it should be remembered that being an astrophysicist in the TOS era compares to having working experience at Wendy's. According to "Where No Man", Sulu was an astrophysicist before moving up to the more challenging work of helmsmanship...
I submit that the position of helm officer is substantially less demanding than that of chief engineer, which would have left Sulu sufficient spare time to dabble in astrophysics at the professional level before moving on to exobotany. After all, the helmsman only requires good reflexes and hand-eye coordination (while leaving the icky mathematical stuff to the navigator), while the chief engineer is required to have an encyclopedic grasp of starship systems considering he is invariably obliged to pull unorthodox repair procedures out of his ass in emergencies.

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Old October 22 2008, 06:28 PM   #104
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Although judging from the news about the movie, it now looks as though Sulu started out at the helm and only took a brief side trip into astrophysics.
Which might indeed happen, much the way TGT describes it, and much the way Vonda McIntyre spins the yarn in Enterprise: The First Adventure. While in TNG era, helm duties are just a springboard for those destined to command, in the TOS era the art might be more demanding, a career unto itself, and would call for the sort of astrogation competence where a PhD or MSc in astrophysics would help.

Maybe he was filling in for someone else. And Piper was filling in for McCoy, and Alden was filling in for Uhura, and Mitchell and a whole string of navigators were filling in for Chekov...
Many novels also make enjoyable if not quite convincing cases of a McCoy-Piper-McCoy succession, if not in the CMO position of the Enterprise, then at least in the parade of sawbones that Kirk worked with.

However, agreed that it would take some doing to make a case for Chekov's or Uhura's triumphant "return" to their "old" jobs...

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However, agreed that it would take some doing to make a case for Chekov's or Uhura's triumphant "return" to their "old" jobs...
Not necessarily. There were a few episodes where Palmer or Angela Martine was sitting in for Uhura without explanation. Alden could've been just another temporary fill-in. And there was a swath of 9 consecutive second-season episodes ("Trouble with Tribbles" through "By Any Other Name") where Sulu was absent from the helm (due to Takei filming The Green Berets). Maybe Sulu was off the ship during that time, or maybe he'd taken a temporary transfer to another department. Either way, it's precedent for an officer being away from a position for a while and then returning to it. (Heck, there's precedent for that with Chekov himself. He was security chief in the first three movies, but was back at navigation thereafter.)
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