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Old October 17 2008, 06:17 PM   #31
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Re: ST XI ships

I've just noticed a possible new design astetic with the Kelvin (and possibility the Enterprise as well).

There doesn't appear to be any windows along the saucer's edge.

Though in the closeup of the Kelvin attack, there seems to be a few small windows on the deck(s) just below the bridge.
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Old October 17 2008, 07:17 PM   #32
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There doesn't appear to be any windows along the saucer's edge.
Indeed, but notice that the Art Deco striping added by ST:TMP visual effects art director Richard Taylor to the rim of the NCC-1701 Refit's saucer also makes an appearance on the Kelvin. I wonder how many other design elements have Abrams and company cherry-picked from earlier - and by definition superior - Trek conceptual illustrators.

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Old October 17 2008, 07:29 PM   #33
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I noticed that "striping" on the Kelvin as well (in the -A refit, it was part of the deflector grid). Though in the teaser, it seems to be gone from the Enterprise, as well as any form of windows.

I know that in the future windows may be seen as a luxury and unnecessary, but from a big screen movie perspective, you somewhat need them for visual detail.
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Old October 17 2008, 07:30 PM   #34
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^^But the E in the teaser trailer is "under construction," so it wouldn't have its racing stripes painted on yet.
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Old October 17 2008, 08:38 PM   #35
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Some information

Specifically, that this is a ship from before Kirk. Allegedly, Kirk's dad is the XO of the Kelvin, and it's fighting Romulans. Based on the age of George Kirk's actor, I'd guesstimate the scenes with the Kelvin take place in the late 2220s.

The beauty of this design is that it actually does seem to fit very nicely in the established timeline. Call em crazy, but that saucer shape does have the sharp edges and 'military' look that I associate with early 23rd century stuff (see Baton Rouge).
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Old October 17 2008, 08:39 PM   #36
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Do these twits know the reason for having a timeline?
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Old October 17 2008, 09:17 PM   #37
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The 0 in the registry IS a little odd. Why?
It's in the alternate universe.
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Old October 17 2008, 09:53 PM   #38
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Harry wrote: View Post
Some information

Specifically, that this is a ship from before Kirk. Allegedly, Kirk's dad is the XO of the Kelvin, and it's fighting Romulans. Based on the age of George Kirk's actor, I'd guesstimate the scenes with the Kelvin take place in the late 2220s.

The beauty of this design is that it actually does seem to fit very nicely in the established timeline. Call em crazy, but that saucer shape does have the sharp edges and 'military' look that I associate with early 23rd century stuff (see Baton Rouge).
Funny you should mention the Baton Rouge class. There's a "Vance's Toolkit" kitbash over in the Trek Art section here called the "USS Andropov" which is an over/under nacelle design based on the Baton Rouge. I first saw it after reading the AICN report of Trek XI footage showing an over/under nacelle ship. I assumed the ship reported by AICN was the Kelvin and thought the Andropov would probably look pretty close to the pre-TOS ship described.

I know that many are assuming a one ventral nacelle/dorsal deflector pod layout for the Kelvin, which may well be correct, but I think the AICN correspondent may have got a better look at the Kelvin than we have yet.
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Old October 18 2008, 05:34 AM   #39
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Do these twits know the reason for having a timeline?
Very little of the timeline or design aesthetic outside of on-screen canon has been established.
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Old October 18 2008, 10:48 AM   #40
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The NCC-0514 thing is sorta weird: the only time Starfleet has put a zero in front of the rego before was NX-01 (plus the fake NX-01A or NX-01-A). Do we infer that the people who built the Kelvin were already sure there would be more than a thousand ships in service within her lifetime?
NCC-0514 (Starship class 05, production vehicle 14)?

Sure it conflicts with the registry of the Grissom, but hardly anyone liked that ship anyway...
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Old October 18 2008, 02:51 PM   #41
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Though in the closeup of the Kelvin attack, there seems to be a few small windows on the deck(s) just below the bridge.
Those are probably the bright floodlights for the pennants, rather than windows...

NCC-0514 (Starship class 05, production vehicle 14)?
That'd be a nice "inside nod", but as said, inconsistent with modern Trek. And it's not as if the United States Navy ever believed in initial zeroes, either. There was no FFG-01 or -001, only FFG-1. Which incidentally meant that the Oliver Hazard Perry class didn't have to suffer through any James Bond jokes.

I totally dig the (coincidental?) similarities with Baton Rouge: the flat bridge, the terraced design, the lack of saucer curvature.

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Old October 18 2008, 10:35 PM   #42
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After the 0514 was destroyed, that number(minus the 0) was free to be reassigned?
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Old October 19 2008, 01:12 AM   #43
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Maybe the blue pulses being fired by the pop up weapons emplacements are an anti fighter weapon. Perhaps using plasma cannon technology, or possibly, mini photon torpedoes. They do look an awful lot like the photon torpedoes fired by the Defiant in IaMD. Fired en-masse, they could be an effective anti-fighter 'flak' weapon. I doubt they'd do any real damage to a full sized combat ship though. THe phaser beam also looks like it's being fired from the ship, because it is brightest ( and strongest looking) closer to the hull, and seems to be emerging from a TMP-like phaser bank. I probably wrong though, because the article going somewhat in-depth on the Kelvin and Kirk's shirt (linked earlier) says that those phaser beams are incoming, not outgoing.
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Old October 19 2008, 01:22 AM   #44
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To give fans masturbation material.
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Old October 19 2008, 01:53 AM   #45
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Though in the closeup of the Kelvin attack, there seems to be a few small windows on the deck(s) just below the bridge.
Those are probably the bright floodlights for the pennants, rather than windows...
I wasn't referring to the lights projection out. Look above them, and you'll see what appears to be a very small round window, as well as one to the left of the lights.
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