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Old May 19 2009, 10:38 PM   #1
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Bad Parenting?

Does anyone else think that the Hansen's, Magnus and Erin, were wrong in bringing Annika with them on their research project.? I mean for crying out loud though, knowing that as much danger that they themselves would be in and still bring their child was a little bit irresponsible to say the least wouldn't you think?
Am I off base here or have I missed something in the big equation? I just feel that to subject your child to a dangerous situation is incomprehensible . The Hansen's should have been reported to the Federation's dept of human resources. But that's just me.

Anyone else think the same?
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Old May 19 2009, 10:46 PM   #2
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Does anyone else think that the Hansen's, Magnus and Erin, were wrong in bringing Annika with them on their research project.? I mean for crying out loud though, knowing that as much danger that they themselves would be in and still bring their child was a little bit irresponsible to say the least wouldn't you think?
Am I off base here or have I missed something in the big equation? I just feel that to subject your child to a dangerous situation is incomprehensible . The Hansen's should have been reported to the Federation's dept of human resources. But that's just me.

Anyone else think the same?
In the past, I often questioned the fact that Enterprise had several children on board, due to the fact that the ship was often caught up in dangerous and difficult situations. I still have the same opinion about that.

So you can understand my opinion about the Hansens in this case. "Irresponsible" is one word for it.
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Old May 19 2009, 11:38 PM   #3
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Its a case of bad parenting or no parenting.

They were going to be hands on in their field forever until it killed them and they would have known this when they considered aborting their pregnancy or putting the sprog up for adoption the second it fell out of her.

Nowhere is safe.

You might ask if doomed Rene Picard lead an awesomely dangerous life because of his parents choices?

Deepspace nine seemed like a great place to raise kids until all manner of evil started showing up weekly.
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Old May 19 2009, 11:57 PM   #4
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We must remember though that we are dealing with the Borg here in this situation. IMHO to be assimilated by the collective is a fate far worse than death. If they could have seen what was to become of their little girl they would probably had never dared think to bring her along knowing what the next 18 (?) years would have been like for her.
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Old May 20 2009, 12:32 AM   #5
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however, isn't it possible that her love and love life with Chakotay was worth all that suffering and never would have come about without her assimilation?

besides she was freed twice and her first instinct was to be reassimilated immediately.

She loved being Borg.

Borg Pride.

Then again the menace behind 1984 was that Big brother was constructing a language within which it was impossible to compose decent in any way.

How much psychic surgery do they do to force unity?

Even freed, she didn't know that being a slave was bad.

I'd rather be assimilated than dead.
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Old May 20 2009, 02:36 AM   #6
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I think they had no idea what they were truly dealing with when they set off, and, as such, misjudged what they were bringing their daughter into. I think they truly thought they would be safe because they were not any threat to the Borg.

Was that bad parenting? Depends... Some would say it was bad parenting to leave her behind while they went on a deep space mission.
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Old May 20 2009, 03:17 AM   #7
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IlogicalOne wrote: View Post
Does anyone else think that the Hansen's, Magnus and Erin, were wrong in bringing Annika with them on their research project.?
They were hippies.

Hippies do stupid things with their kids, like eat them while high.

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Old May 20 2009, 07:10 AM   #8
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I think they had no idea what they were truly dealing with when they set off, and, as such, misjudged what they were bringing their daughter into. I think they truly thought they would be safe because they were not any threat to the Borg.

Was that bad parenting? Depends... Some would say it was bad parenting to leave her behind while they went on a deep space mission.
Given that before they even find the Borg, they break a few Federation laws, while keeping their daughter on board, I'd call that some bad parenting. Am I misremembering or do they comment that they crossed into the Neutral Zone? That means that they could have come across a Romulan vessel, which certainly would have blown them out of the proverbial sky.

So parental abandonment by leaving their daughter with relatives or endangering their daughter's life by flying a vessel with minimal defenses into hostile territory. Which is the lesser crime here?
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Old May 20 2009, 07:21 AM   #9
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Does anyone else think that the Hansen's, Magnus and Erin, were wrong in bringing Annika with them on their research project.? I mean for crying out loud though, knowing that as much danger that they themselves would be in and still bring their child was a little bit irresponsible to say the least wouldn't you think?
Am I off base here or have I missed something in the big equation? I just feel that to subject your child to a dangerous situation is incomprehensible . The Hansen's should have been reported to the Federation's dept of human resources. But that's just me.

Anyone else think the same?

Seven-of-Nine shared your feelings.
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Old May 20 2009, 10:59 AM   #10
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however, isn't it possible that her love and love life with Chakotay was worth all that suffering and never would have come about without her assimilation?

.

Ooooo yes, limbs removed and skull drilled into, 18 years of being a Borg, lots and lots of angst when Janeway freed her and insisted she'd be better off as an individual but she didn't agree, four years on Voyager not fitting in a lot of the time...... but that's all ok and well worth it ....... it means she's in the right timeline to have a picnic with Chuckles
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Old May 20 2009, 01:38 PM   #11
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however, isn't it possible that her love and love life with Chakotay was worth all that suffering and never would have come about without her assimilation?

.

Ooooo yes, limbs removed and skull drilled into, 18 years of being a Borg, lots and lots of angst when Janeway freed her and insisted she'd be better off as an individual but she didn't agree, four years on Voyager not fitting in a lot of the time...... but that's all ok and well worth it ....... it means she's in the right timeline to have a picnic with Chuckles
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Old May 20 2009, 01:43 PM   #12
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Given that before they even find the Borg, they break a few Federation laws, while keeping their daughter on board, I'd call that some bad parenting. Am I misremembering or do they comment that they crossed into the Neutral Zone? That means that they could have come across a Romulan vessel, which certainly would have blown them out of the proverbial sky.

So parental abandonment by leaving their daughter with relatives or endangering their daughter's life by flying a vessel with minimal defenses into hostile territory. Which is the lesser crime here?
Quite frankly, they had bad judgement all the way around. They should have left the Borg alone instead of treating drones like you'd treat a Monkey you're tagging in the wild. There was no reason to go out, with little defense as you point out, to track anything that hostile, that dangerous, or in such a dangerous location.

They were irresponsible people, not just bad parents.
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Old May 21 2009, 03:53 AM   #13
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Am I off base here or have I missed something in the big equation? I just feel that to subject your child to a dangerous situation is incomprehensible . The Hansen's should have been reported to the Federation's dept of human resources. But that's just me.

Anyone else think the same?
I wonder if you would be kind enough to tell me whether you regard it as incomprehensibly reckless that Christopher Columbus brought his son with him on the fourth (and most arduous) voyage to the New World which he took.
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Old May 21 2009, 07:51 AM   #14
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Am I off base here or have I missed something in the big equation? I just feel that to subject your child to a dangerous situation is incomprehensible . The Hansen's should have been reported to the Federation's dept of human resources. But that's just me.

Anyone else think the same?
I wonder if you would be kind enough to tell me whether you regard it as incomprehensibly reckless that Christopher Columbus brought his son with him on the fourth (and most arduous) voyage to the New World which he took.
Maybe. knowing the dangers that they faced in the new world. But than again the Hansen's situation was a lot different and the dangers they faced were more horrendous.

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Old May 21 2009, 01:09 PM   #15
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Christopher Columbus was of a different mind set than information age humans. He would have viewed his parenting responsibilities much differently than we do. He would have viewed his son the heir to his legacy and required him to face the same dangers as him in order to continue his "name brand." In other words a parenting view that considered his son an extension of himself rather than his own person. People continue to fail to make that distinction today despite all that has passed since then.

Reward and risk are consequential of each other . I view the parenting of the Hansen's to be irresposnible and outright selfish. The reward did not merit the risk. Unless of course you think the sacrifice of your offspring is a fair trade for possibly a greater understanding of the Borg . . .
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