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Old October 3 2008, 06:35 PM   #76
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I'm picturing the Aventine's Bridge as strongly resembling the bridge of the Intrepid Class. How does everyone else picture it in their heads?
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Old October 3 2008, 06:58 PM   #77
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Old October 3 2008, 07:23 PM   #78
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I'm picturing the Aventine's Bridge as strongly resembling the bridge of the Intrepid Class. How does everyone else picture it in their heads?
I must confess to never liking the Intrepid-class bridge, as it had too much wasted space.

When I was writing the Aventine in A Singular Destiny, I was picturing a bridge that was sort of a combination of the D and E bridges, but with only two seats in the center (a la the Intrepid-class).
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Old October 3 2008, 07:34 PM   #79
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I must confess to never liking the Intrepid-class bridge, as it had too much wasted space.
Whereas I felt it was inefficiently designed with too many different levels and railings and whatnot. And I dislike the trend to move away from the simple E-D-style bridge back to one more cluttered with blinky lights and metal and techno-stuff. The E-D design reflected the idea that technology had advanced so far as to become more invisible, less obtrusive -- and that far fewer people were needed to operate it. Later designs feel like a huge step backward in technological sophistication.
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Old October 3 2008, 10:14 PM   #80
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Marco, thanks for the answers. I appreciate it.

Regarding the Aventine: I initially kept imagining Phillip Ridings' runner up design for the Titan contest, given the advanced nature of the ship, and I always though that this particular design looked more suited to an early 25th century ship (it's a great design, either way). That ship really needs to be used somewhere....

Re: the bridge: I imagined it being like the Enterprise-D bridge, except smaller, and one-level / flat. IIRC, one of the descriptions in Gods of Night mentioned Dax's chair being in the back of the bridge, so I imagined the consoles / stations being filling up around and on the sides of the ship. An ops and conn station at the front (like the D) and two seats for the Captain and First Officer.

Or maybe I'm just talking crazy. Wouldn't be the first time.
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Old October 4 2008, 07:05 AM   #81
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I actually thought that it might be a cross between the Defiant and ENT E.
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Old October 4 2008, 07:35 AM   #82
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I thought I'd share my thoughts on the Aventine. I had gotten the mental image of something quite Dauntless-esque, but with it's own sort of flavour.



The saucer is a curvy arrowhead, sort of like a stretched Nova.
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Old October 4 2008, 07:34 PM   #83
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Reminds me of the fanon Proteus Class. (That's also what I see when I picture the Aventine )
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Old October 4 2008, 09:01 PM   #84
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two seats for the Captain and First Officer.
*That* is what I don't like about the Intrepid bridge.

Not only do I not think the first officer should have a seat (I've always thought ENT and TOS made most sense here: the XO should always have another position, such as science officer), but it just looks weird to have two seats in the middle of the bridge like that. Neither of them is in the exact middle, which is IMHO where the captain should be.
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Old October 4 2008, 09:35 PM   #85
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Reminds me of the fanon Proteus Class. (That's also what I see when I picture the Aventine )
Ugh... personally, I'm getting tired of streamlined starships. Space is a vacuum -- there's no need for streamlining. It's a purely superficial way of making a ship look "fast" and "sleek" to the viewer's eye. My preference would be for ships that look less like aircraft or darts and more like something that's a practical design for a vessel operating in weightless vacuum. That's what Matt Jefferies gave us with the original Enterprise, and nothing since has lived up to that brilliant, elegantly simple design.


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Not only do I not think the first officer should have a seat (I've always thought ENT and TOS made most sense here: the XO should always have another position, such as science officer)
That makes no sense. First officer is a full-time job in itself. The XO is responsible for overseeing the execution of the captain's orders, for managing every aspect of ship's operations, for supervising all the ship's personnel and overseeing every shipboard activity. If anything, it's totally implausible to have a first officer doing a second job at all. I can accept someone like Spock being able to manage that double burden, but it would be grossly unfair to expect a mere human to be able to balance the extensive and time-consuming responsibilities of a first officer with a second full-time job.
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Old October 4 2008, 09:51 PM   #86
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two seats for the Captain and First Officer.
*That* is what I don't like about the Intrepid bridge.

Not only do I not think the first officer should have a seat (I've always thought ENT and TOS made most sense here: the XO should always have another position, such as science officer),
In fact, ENT and TOS made nothing like sense in that regard. On ENT, you could get away with it to some extent, given the small crew, but it was pushing it. On the Defiant or the da Vinci, the XO can double-dip, but on any ship that has a complement of three figures or higher, the notion that the first officer would have time to do anything other than be first officer is completely ludicrous. XO is a more than full-time job.
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Old October 4 2008, 10:35 PM   #87
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Reminds me of the fanon Proteus Class. (That's also what I see when I picture the Aventine )
Ugh... personally, I'm getting tired of streamlined starships. Space is a vacuum -- there's no need for streamlining. It's a purely superficial way of making a ship look "fast" and "sleek" to the viewer's eye. My preference would be for ships that look less like aircraft or darts and more like something that's a practical design for a vessel operating in weightless vacuum. That's what Matt Jefferies gave us with the original Enterprise, and nothing since has lived up to that brilliant, elegantly simple design.
I seem to recall reading (I believe it was in the Star Trek: The Magazine Technical Guide for the Intrepid Class) that the streamlining of the ships had something to do with the variable geometry warp nacelles. It worked to help stem the subspace damage that was discovered in TNG Season Seven for high warp travel.
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Ugh... personally, I'm getting tired of streamlined starships. Space is a vacuum -- there's no need for streamlining. It's a purely superficial way of making a ship look "fast" and "sleek" to the viewer's eye. My preference would be for ships that look less like aircraft or darts and more like something that's a practical design for a vessel operating in weightless vacuum. That's what Matt Jefferies gave us with the original Enterprise, and nothing since has lived up to that brilliant, elegantly simple design.
What about vessels designed to land on planets, meaning having to go atmospheric? They have to be at least partially streamlined to glide through an atmosphere like the Intrepid- and Nova-classes were designed to do. As for starships that don't need to go skinny dipping through the atmosphere, it is aesthetically pleasing to have a "sleek" ship. Would a ship designed more like the battlestars of BSG look better to you, Chris?
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Old October 4 2008, 11:22 PM   #89
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^ Hmm I hadn't thought about that.
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Old October 4 2008, 11:25 PM   #90
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In fact, ENT and TOS made nothing like sense in that regard. On ENT, you could get away with it to some extent, given the small crew, but it was pushing it. On the Defiant or the da Vinci, the XO can double-dip, but on any ship that has a complement of three figures or higher, the notion that the first officer would have time to do anything other than be first officer is completely ludicrous. XO is a more than full-time job.
Then I repeat my question...why have a seat for the XO, then? If they're so busy, they shouldn't have any time to sit down on the bridge.

And I also repeat that it just looks bad to have two seats in the middle like that. The captain's chair should, IMHO, be dead center (not necessarily from front to back, but definitely from side to side).
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