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Old October 2 2008, 08:26 PM   #61
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I am hoping that someone with artistic talent will give us a good vision for what it could look like. Would be cool to see it look like it fit in the fleet with the Defiant, Voyager and Titan.
I am working on Design sketches, they are not offical or anything.
I just want to echo what Sean has said and stress to everyone that there's no official effort underway at the present time to develop the look of the Aventine.
And in response to the queries that have come direct to my Star Trek Magazine email address, nor will we be running anything connected to this in the Magazine either.

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Old October 2 2008, 08:40 PM   #62
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This tread just demonstrates why cars designed in the states don't do that well in places like Europe!
They don't do that well here either. There's a reason Toyota and Honda are beating the hell out of American car manufacturers--in America.
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Old October 3 2008, 12:49 AM   #63
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No, thanks. While I was happy with the end result of the Titan competition, the contest involved too much grief before, during, and after for me to want to get involved in such an undertaking again anytime soon. Life is simply too short.
Is this why we didn't see you around these parts for almost two years?

I've seen you state this before, and I'm just curious: what was the grief and excessive cost associated (if you can talk about it)? I thought a contest would be fairly "easy" and low-cost since you're not really paying the winner aside from books and what not.
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Old October 3 2008, 02:58 AM   #64
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Paper-mail sorting, legal vetting, e-mail server costs...is there anything I'm missing in my guesswork as to the answer, Marco?
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Old October 3 2008, 03:10 AM   #65
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I imagine his bar tab also spiked during the judging.
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Old October 3 2008, 03:36 AM   #66
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I imagine his bar tab also spiked during the judging.
Pretty much as I suspected.
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Old October 3 2008, 04:01 AM   #67
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I imagine his bar tab also spiked during the judging.
Pretty much as I suspected.


I would have to agree with that!!!! I know mine did.
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Old October 3 2008, 05:08 AM   #68
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Plus he has to underwrite David Mack's whiskey bill. If he goes through it as much as I go through brandy lately, it ain't cheap.
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Old October 3 2008, 05:24 AM   #69
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This tread just demonstrates why cars designed in the states don't do that well in places like Europe!
They don't do that well here either. There's a reason Toyota and Honda are beating the hell out of American car manufacturers--in America.
OT: There really aren't American made cars anymore. Most of the components come from other countries. The companies are still 'American' owned, but the cars are mostly built from components from elsewhere.

Toyota and Honda are doing well because of the gas mileage.
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Old October 3 2008, 02:38 PM   #70
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No, thanks. While I was happy with the end result of the Titan competition, the contest involved too much grief before, during, and after for me to want to get involved in such an undertaking again anytime soon. Life is simply too short.
Is this why we didn't see you around these parts for almost two years?
Took me that to long sober up.

I've seen you state this before, and I'm just curious: what was the grief and excessive cost associated (if you can talk about it)? I thought a contest would be fairly "easy" and low-cost since you're not really paying the winner aside from books and what not.
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Paper-mail sorting, legal vetting, e-mail server costs...is there anything I'm missing in my guesswork as to the answer, Marco?
The contest didn't involve paper-mailing, but the rest is true. Contests are legalistic and administrative nightmares even when you have a staff devoted to them. In this case, it was pretty much just me until the judging. It ate up much more of my time than I ever imagined it would, when I should have been doing other things. There were a few weeks, cumulatively, when dealing with issues relating to the preparation, administration, and execution of the contest was all I worked on. All of that created a domino effect on my usual workload, driving up late fees on the production end of some of the books I was working on at the time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not sorry we did it. And there are undoubtedly things I could have done better it hadn't been my first time. But compared to the ease, brevity, and the flat cost of contracting with an artist of my own choosing...well, there's no comparison, really.
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Old October 3 2008, 03:12 PM   #71
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Hopefully I didn't cause any grief. I was just happy my design was choosen. I believe me the stack of books helped alot. And I have made a few contacts during all of this as well from Marco to Mr. Vancitters over at CBS to Mr. Rizzadi that made the 6 foot model. Who would of guessed that I would be in the thick of things.


Thanks Marco for all of your help throughout the process.
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Old October 3 2008, 03:56 PM   #72
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Hopefully I didn't cause any grief. I was just happy my design was choosen. I believe me the stack of books helped alot. And I have made a few contacts during all of this as well from Marco to Mr. Vancitters over at CBS to Mr. Rizzadi that made the 6 foot model. Who would of guessed that I would be in the thick of things.


Thanks Marco for all of your help throughout the process.

Are you going to have any sketches up soon? I was just curious. I caught up yesterday but never posted. I'm in the middle of Ch. 12 right now and hopefully can't wait for the next book.
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Old October 3 2008, 04:11 PM   #73
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Hopefully I didn't cause any grief. I was just happy my design was choosen. I believe me the stack of books helped alot. And I have made a few contacts during all of this as well from Marco to Mr. Vancitters over at CBS to Mr. Rizzadi that made the 6 foot model. Who would of guessed that I would be in the thick of things.


Thanks Marco for all of your help throughout the process.

Are you going to have any sketches up soon? I was just curious. I caught up yesterday but never posted. I'm in the middle of Ch. 12 right now and hopefully can't wait for the next book.
I will post some next week some time. I recently just moved into a new house, so unpacking is the priority this weekend. I will see what I can do
during my breaks today.
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Old October 3 2008, 05:05 PM   #74
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Toyota and Honda are doing well because of the gas mileage.
The low maintenance costs don't hurt, either.
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Old October 3 2008, 05:59 PM   #75
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Hopefully I didn't cause any grief.
No worries. As I said, the end result I was fine with. Getting there was what wore me down.
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