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Old September 30 2008, 10:30 PM   #16
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It could be that it's a proof-of-concept model; a smaller-scale version of the full ship for testing purposes like the Constitution mock-up seen in the picture for December.
I don't want to be misunderstood. It's a nice image and all, but I see it as starting point for the Aventine, not simply a smaller version of it.


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It needs a couple more fins for style.
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Old September 30 2008, 10:32 PM   #17
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I remember a bumper sticker I saw on the back of a guy's car once....

"My rocketship has fins, bitches!"


I've been hunting for one of those ever since....
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Old September 30 2008, 10:43 PM   #18
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^A fin? What weirdos are you hoping to impress, anyway?
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Old September 30 2008, 10:59 PM   #19
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Me? Trying to impress someone? Have we met?
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Old September 30 2008, 11:10 PM   #20
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That's really funny. I had the same thoughts--that the ship's basic configuration was a good direction for the Aventine.
It needs a couple more fins for style.
It also needs more cowbell.
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Old September 30 2008, 11:23 PM   #21
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This is starting to remind me of that Simpsons episode where Homer's long-lost brother the auto executive gave him free rein to design his dream car...

Of course, what we're all overlooking is that what the ship really needs is a sombrero and fuzzy dice.
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Old September 30 2008, 11:44 PM   #22
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Old October 1 2008, 01:06 AM   #23
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On a related note....

The Federation seems to unveil a new class of starship every five minutes these days. It's only been about seven years since Star Trek: First Contact, but in that time, we've seen the Prometheus, Centaur, Curry, Elkins, Nova, and Luna classes. Now we're meeting the Vesta class, to boot?

It just seems like the Federation's building a lot of new starship classes for a nation that just emerged from the most damaging war in quadrant history and that's still struggling to rebuild...
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Old October 1 2008, 01:15 AM   #24
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To be fair, the Centaur and the Curry appear to be older classes of ships, possibily from the Excelsior generation - ignoring the ugly kitbashing side of them anyhow. The Nova would have been in production before the war, and the Prometheus was likely on the drawing board before the Dominion showed up on the scene too.
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Old October 1 2008, 01:24 AM   #25
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^^^ well, Given that for the most part, the workhorses of the fleet are of a design 3/4 of a century old (granted, with upgrades/modifications) and given the severe pounding Starfleet has taken in the last decade or so, why wouldn't the engineers design new ship types that could stand up to the kinds of threats that the Federation has been facing recently? Yes, there have been a lot of new designs recently, but building a variety of types of ships allows Starfleet admirals not to put all their dylithium crystals in one warp core, tactically speaking.

As for the image as a starting point, works for me. It feels a little too much like the Dauntless for me, so I'd give it a more Luna-class and/or Sovereign-class style.

Given its crew compliment and classification as a "multimission explorer" it feels to me as though the Vesta class could be working its way to becoming one of the main workhorses of Starfleet (experimental results affecting the speed of this development, of course). Which is cool with me. I think we've seen the Excelsior-class in this capacity for too long.
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Old October 1 2008, 01:28 AM   #26
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The Federation seems to unveil a new class of starship every five minutes these days. It's only been about seven years since Star Trek: First Contact, but in that time, we've seen the Prometheus, Centaur, Curry, Elkins, Nova, and Luna classes. Now we're meeting the Vesta class, to boot?

It just seems like the Federation's building a lot of new starship classes for a nation that just emerged from the most damaging war in quadrant history and that's still struggling to rebuild...
Well Centaur and Curry are composed from elements of older designs, so who's to say they are even remotely close to new introductions. The Nova was already in service pre-Dominion war to have gotten lost in the Delta Quadrant pre-Caretaker and is in he same design family as the Prometheus and Sovereign, the post-Wolf 359 generation. The Luna class was in development pre-war and the Vesta, if we a assume was built as the test-bed for slipstream (ie, after regular contact with Voyager) is the only very new design, and like the Luna comes at a time when Starfleet is presumably rebuilding it's forces after the heavy losses in the war. (And I've never even heard of an Elkins class)

Wars spark innovation, and the damage dealt to Starfleet will necessitate them building lots of new ships, so surely we should be seeing more new designs starting to appear by 2181.
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Old October 1 2008, 02:48 AM   #27
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I was thinking that it might be a cross between the Prometheus class and Intrepid class, with down-swept nacelles that look like the Sovereign class.
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Old October 1 2008, 02:54 AM   #28
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I'm pretty sure I've read before that the Prometheus and Luna classes were both designed before the Dominion War.
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Old October 1 2008, 02:55 AM   #29
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To be fair, the Centaur and the Curry appear to be older classes of ships, possibily from the Excelsior generation - ignoring the ugly kitbashing side of them anyhow.
I always thought that the Centaur class was pretty cool looking. Some of the best parts of the Miranda and Excelsior designs. I tried to kitbash my MicroMachines to make one once, but the glue didn't hold. So now I don't have an Excelsior anymore. Whoops!
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Old October 1 2008, 04:31 PM   #30
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On a related note....

The Federation seems to unveil a new class of starship every five minutes these days. It's only been about seven years since Star Trek: First Contact, but in that time, we've seen the Prometheus, Centaur, Curry, Elkins, Nova, and Luna classes. Now we're meeting the Vesta class, to boot?

It just seems like the Federation's building a lot of new starship classes for a nation that just emerged from the most damaging war in quadrant history and that's still struggling to rebuild...

I always took it as a given that a starship class is in development for years before we actually see it, and that therefore most of the classes we've been introduced to lately were projects begun before the start of the Dominion War.
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