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Old March 1 2009, 12:34 AM   #256
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And I must admit, that sketch does have a few similarities to Dauntless which along with armoured hull (yes I know Defiant has ablative hull armour, but it's not that different from the normal hull) is worrying for me.
Worrying? Why?
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Old March 1 2009, 12:43 AM   #257
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I had always imagined she'd look more like the Dauntless than she does.

Not like that's a bad thing, of course. I get a happy Dauntless/Enterprise-E/Voyager hybrid vibe from it.
You are aware Dauntless was in no shape of form a Starfleet vessel, yes it had a few design similarities (which are either coincidental or part of that Alien dudes plan to screw with Voyager) to a Starfleet starship but it was created by some random alien species from the Delta Quadrant.
I am, indeed. However, Voyager apparently took extensive readings on the ship, and it seems only logical that Starfleet's first full-fledged attempt at quantum slipstream drive take lead from the design, with perhaps similar results.

And I must admit, that sketch does have a few similarities to Dauntless which along with armoured hull (yes I know Defiant has ablative hull armour, but it's not that different from the normal hull) is worrying for me.
I don't get the worry either?
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Old March 1 2009, 01:23 AM   #258
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I get a happy Dauntless/Enterprise-E/Voyager hybrid vibe from it.
Nailed it! These are exactly the 3 ships I have taken a good look at:

Voyager: A sturdy ship with some unique features. (Aux. deflector, moveable pylons.) The only canon link to quantum slipstream experiments as far as I know. It would be the best starting point.

Enterprise E: I looked at it for 2 reasons,
Size: The Enterprise is in the same size range as the Aventine, I never created such a large ship, so this was helpful. (I just could not make heads or tails from the window layout on the E-E, so I decided to go a more logical route there.)
Sleekness: Looking fast while standing still, I wanted some of that as well.

Dauntless: I had to look at this ship, because it was all about QSD. I can imagine Starfleet would use a lot of it's data gathered by the Voyager crew and put that into the Vesta class ships as well. Personally I find the sideview of the ship quite nice. But the mesh is just a bit too blobby for my liking.

Spirit: My own solo attempt to show a QSD testbed. For me it was clear I had to give the Aventine some features of the Spirit, so I attached a lot of sensor fins to the Aventine as well.


I had you there! No fins on the Aventine. They do both have curvy armor plating and a similar layout of the secondary hull. (In case of the Spirit, that is the primary+secondary hull.)

Anyway I finished the ship today, just in time for the shakedown tests...or actually my calendar deadline. The final image is currently rendering and will be ready in 14 hours or so. I have put 360 hours of my sparetime in it over the last 4 months. I demand Whisky! (Even if I dont drink.)

I'm planning on doing some tweaks around April. I want to create some animations, but I need to optimize the model for that.

I think an update is in order next week, so I will mail Margaret to "make it so". Thanks for all the support and feedback!

P.s. Dimesdan: IIRC "Particle synthesis" that's how the alien transformed his own ship to look and read like a Starfleet ship. Also in that same episode I believe that Voyager itself used QSD for a couple of hours till they could not keep the tunnel open anymore.

As for the armor: There is lots of it, but this isnt a Batmobile.

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Old March 1 2009, 01:59 AM   #259
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[Burns] Excellllleeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnt. [/Burns]

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Old March 1 2009, 02:03 AM   #260
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Clawhammer, we cant wait to see it! Even if you cant show it and we have to wait till its published, it will be looked forward to!
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Old March 1 2009, 04:54 AM   #261
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Woo hoo!!
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Old September 26 2010, 06:45 AM   #262
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I must confess to never liking the Intrepid-class bridge, as it had too much wasted space.
Whereas I felt it was inefficiently designed with too many different levels and railings and whatnot. And I dislike the trend to move away from the simple E-D-style bridge back to one more cluttered with blinky lights and metal and techno-stuff. The E-D design reflected the idea that technology had advanced so far as to become more invisible, less obtrusive -- and that far fewer people were needed to operate it. Later designs feel like a huge step backward in technological sophistication.
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Reminds me of the fanon Proteus Class. (That's also what I see when I picture the Aventine )
Ugh... personally, I'm getting tired of streamlined starships. Space is a vacuum -- there's no need for streamlining. It's a purely superficial way of making a ship look "fast" and "sleek" to the viewer's eye. My preference would be for ships that look less like aircraft or darts and more like something that's a practical design for a vessel operating in weightless vacuum. That's what Matt Jefferies gave us with the original Enterprise, and nothing since has lived up to that brilliant, elegantly simple design.
I seem to recall reading (I believe it was in the Star Trek: The Magazine Technical Guide for the Intrepid Class) that the streamlining of the ships had something to do with the variable geometry warp nacelles. It worked to help stem the subspace damage that was discovered in TNG Season Seven for high warp travel.
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Ugh... personally, I'm getting tired of streamlined starships. Space is a vacuum -- there's no need for streamlining. It's a purely superficial way of making a ship look "fast" and "sleek" to the viewer's eye. My preference would be for ships that look less like aircraft or darts and more like something that's a practical design for a vessel operating in weightless vacuum. That's what Matt Jefferies gave us with the original Enterprise, and nothing since has lived up to that brilliant, elegantly simple design.
What about vessels designed to land on planets, meaning having to go atmospheric? They have to be at least partially streamlined to glide through an atmosphere like the Intrepid- and Nova-classes were designed to do. As for starships that don't need to go skinny dipping through the atmosphere, it is aesthetically pleasing to have a "sleek" ship. Would a ship designed more like the battlestars of BSG look better to you, Chris?
There is elegance in simplicity, which I apply to the bridge design. I like the D-style, with chairs for the Captain, XO and (empathic) Diplomat. And, the variable geometry warp nacelles and atmospheric travel would probably require functional streamlining. I kind of like the arrowhead design for the saucer section. Although it may not be possible, what if you combined that design with an Oberth-style body? The Oberth was the coolest design, although it was probably the most impractical one. And, please don't abandon the Observation Lounge, behind the Main Bridge! Could all these variables be combined into a design for the Vesta-class ships?
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Old September 26 2010, 10:58 AM   #263
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I read on his website that new pics will see the daylight sometime in october.
you know what the worst thing about that is? i wont get zero sum game until mid november... i think i'm gonna lock myself in a dark room to not be able to look at the pics. or else, i'll die of excitement during the wait for typhon...
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Old September 26 2010, 12:33 PM   #264
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I read on his website that new pics will see the daylight sometime in october.
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In the (to be released) October issue of Star Trek magazine there is an article (quite extensive article even) about the U.S.S. Aventine. I got interviewed by Marco Palmieri, mostly talking about the work involved to design the ship. It features quite a lot of build up images that where not shown before, as well as some new orthographic views and a new beauty shot that is also used as a "miniposter".
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Old September 26 2010, 07:09 PM   #265
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^ goddamn. why a magazine that you cant get a hold of in europe? (and no, britain isnt europe...) love the pic though. albeit small, but still nice
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Old September 26 2010, 07:30 PM   #266
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^ goddamn. why a magazine that you cant get a hold of in europe? (and no, britain isnt europe...) love the pic though. albeit small, but still nice
You can! Just join an official fan club. Germany turned their fanzines into a translated version of the mag!

The Aventine is beautiful! A logical evolution of the familiar design. Too bad you and Sean were not allowed to design the Star Trek Online ships which just look like cheap kitbashes of AMT models.
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Old September 26 2010, 07:56 PM   #267
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you could ask a british member to buy you a copy and ship to you at cost...
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Old September 26 2010, 10:50 PM   #268
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^ goddamn. why a magazine that you cant get a hold of in europe? (and no, britain isnt europe...) love the pic though. albeit small, but still nice
Can buy it in Ireland, and we're in Europe.
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Old September 28 2010, 05:44 PM   #269
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And the UK is also a member of Europe and a European nation!
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Old September 28 2010, 08:51 PM   #270
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And the UK is also a member of Europe and a European nation!
oh, c'mon! is there a global anti irony movement this week or something? every ironic remark i've written this week has backfired...
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